Originally published at: These are the 8-bit punk roots of Green Day's new "Dookie Demastered" - Boing Boing
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Are Green Day on the BBS Instant Argument List?
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Probably should be by now. Or should they?
ETA: added!
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Could just be a general argument about what is or isn’t punk, and also whether or not that argument itself is gatekeeping…
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Punk is as Punk does. It is a broad church. A blowtorch handed down across the generations.
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Worth noting that The Linda Lindas just finished touring stadiums as a supporting group for … Green Day. Not too shabby.
(And they were great.)
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Uh oh, what have i started?
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Don’t feel bad… it happens whenever the topic of Green Day comes up.
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Would be an interesting discussion though and could delve in to some cool musical history. Personally i don’t feel Green Day are, or have even been, punk whereas i think Gogol Bordello are punk as fuck! But why…
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Well, it’s undeniable that Green Day came out of a punk scene, but whether or not they remained punk depends on how you define it. Is it just a genre of music or is there something else going on with punk as a cultural phenomenon that seeks to address corporate culture… If it’s just a genre, then it hardly matters if they left their local scene and ended up on a major label and were all over MTV… but if punk is more than just a genre, and it has some strategies for us to see culture as more than a commodity designed to make a few dudes rich, then the “sell out” argument about Green Day matters. They might be playing a form of punk music, but there is an argument that they aren’t punks because of their actions. Gogol Bordello, meanwhile, is seen as being more authentic and not having sold out (although, they do have at least one album on American, Rick Rubin’s label)…
The definition of punk has always been contested and lots of people seek to gatekeep what it means to be punk. It got quite contentious in the 80s and 90s, especially after Nirvana got huge, because they brought along a whole group of people to majors who had previously been more underground…
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I saw Green Day perform a few weeks ago. It was a show of many contrasts.
Many things about it were decidedly “not punk”. It was in a baseball stadium and it was massively produced (elaborate set pieces, pyrotechnics, video packages, confetti cannons, drones — the works).
On the other hand, strip away the gimmicky ridiculousness and it was the three core dudes doing their thing and doing it well. They had a clear “fuck Trump” message throughout, interacted with fans, and in all delivered a great show. They played for just about 3 hours with no break or encore.
Between GD and the supporting acts (The Linda Lindas, Rancid, and Smashing Pumpkins), I definitely felt like I got my money’s worth from that show.
While many aspects were decidedly not “punk”, the vibe was still there. (There was still a mosh pit, still people puking on the floor, but at least I saw several edgelord dickholes getting ejected by security. Good riddance (no pun intended).)
(As a disclaimer, I’m not really a huge GD fan or anything, but I don’t begrudge their success or music.)
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Like I said… 
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This has always been the punkest chiptune track IMHO.
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