To fight gun violence, Trump proposes detaining mentally ill Americans

[Arduenn]

“You must be mentally ill, if you don’t agree with this policy.”

[smulder]

@gracchus

homelessness as we now know it became a visible wide-spread problem starting in the 1980s because of this

There were a number of different factors, including the disappearance of SRO’s as a housing category, the end of public housing projects, and the mass migration of America’s population westward into states where “I got mine, fuck you” is the dominant urban planning philosophy.

[GagHalfrunt]

@tsath

In both cases it [diagnosis of schizophrenia] was a way of medicalizing dissent and denying the legitimacy of challenges to existing social norms.

@Arduenn

“You must be mentally ill, if you don’t agree with this policy.”

In the USSR, the diagnosis of “sluggish schizophrenia” was used. It had the advantage that no symptoms needed to be evident.

Sluggish schizophrenia

[tigerberry]

@Pensketch

He’s talking of locking them up, but no word I’ve seen about treating them. Nor how they plan to identify “them” before they’ve shot someone.

Stash them away out of sight, problem solved. And obviously “mental illness” is like porn, he’ll know a mentally ill person when he sees one.

[74hc595]

What you said isn’t funny or clever. You are using phrase “mentally ill” as an insult, thus helping further stigmatize mental illness. And obviously by doing that you are not helping anyone.

Edit: I reformulated my post in more mild wording.

[IpoNokaoi]

I thought it was. I will remove it. I’m sorry.

[74hc595]

Thank you.

[Wanderfound]

cody jackson (codyjacksonAR)

[anon73430903]

Just a reminder to everyone

@orenwolf

Posts that make assumptions about anyone’s mental state, race, gender, ethnicity, religious beliefs, group affiliation or sexual orientation without it being explicitly stated somewhere (either in a post or other verifiable source) will be considered inappropriate.

[simonize]

@Shuck

Oh wait, I forgot. Trump doesn’t have “positions.” He just says whatever he thinks will be most advantageous for him in the moment, regardless of whether it contradicts his previous statements or actions of, say, a few minutes earlier.

The Magic 8 Ball would be MORE consistant than Trump because it only has 20 possible answers. “Let’s Buy Greenland,” is not one of them. Now I think that somebody should make a moronic 5-ball* with Trump quotes.

*because the 5 is orange

[simonize]

@smulder

including the disappearance of SRO’s as a housing category,

As it turns out, when you remove the bottom run of the housing ladder, most of the people on if fall off rather than manage to jump up to the next rung.

edited to add Living Downtown is a good book on the topic

Living Downtown: The History of Residential Hotels in the United States: Groth,...

[longtimelurker]

@anon48584343

Dear Asteroid of enormous size,

1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

…but not too big. Leave Boston and NYC alone.

[anon73430903]

@longtimelurker

…but not too big. Leave Boston and NYC alone.

I have a better idea

1100 S. Ocean Blvd., Palm Beach

[Avery_Thorn]

I suspect that my concept of building instutitions to provide housing, help, and medical care for mentally ill people would be very different from Dolt 45’s. For one, I wouldn’t call it “detaining”. They are patients who need our help, not prisoners who need detained.

But I do have a hard time seeing how forcing our mentally ill people to live on the street and ensuring that they don’t get help, even if they really, really want it is somehow less cruel than taking care of them. (Notwithstanding the knowledge that we really messed that up in the past; that some of what we did in the past was crueler than that.)

We need more drug rehabilitation places. We need more residential long-term mental wellness facilities. We need more halfway houses. We need more housing for people who need light assistance. We need first responders who are trained in helping people who have mental issues calm down and get to help without anyone -bystander or patient- getting hurt. We need to make sure that people who can’t hold jobs because they are mentally ill don’t need to hold a job to get the insurance they need to overcome their mental illness. We need to do this without making the hospitals horrible, horrible places that don’t cure anyone.

And yes, we need to ensure somehow that no one gets trapped in them against their consent.

I have to believe that living under a bridge and screaming at ghosts isn’t a mentally ill person’s best life, and we need to help them get to wherever they can be with honor and dignity.

[Yri]

Yeah, Reagan can burn in heck for his part in the surge of homelessness, but you’re not wrong about the abuses of those institutions.

[Mangochin]

GOP in 2016: “Oh come on, its not like Trump wants to throw people into concentration camps”
GOP in 2019: “Calling them concentration camps is a bit extreme, don’t you think?”

[Mangochin]

@Avery_Thorn

even if they really, really want it is somehow less cruel than taking care of them.

What makes you think they will be cared for adequately?

This is an administration which locked up children in concentration camps and intentionally abused them with conditions growing close to Buchenwald level lack of sanitation.

[Avery_Thorn]

Oh, I have no faith that Republicans would care or authorize the level of care required.

I just hope that by the time they find out that we’re actually taking care of the mentally ill they are no longer in a position to do anything about it…

[Mangochin]

I wonder how many would “die of pneumonia” in their care before that happens?
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/nazi-persecution-of-the-mentally-and-physically-disabled

[anon67050589]

That is a good point to consider, but NO, this isn’t about restoring actual medical care to those who need it.