To find Hillary Clinton likable, we must learn to view women complexly

If you don’t live in a swing state, the optimal strategy is really fuzzy. I’m in TX, so I wasn’t going to vote for Clinton or Trump initially (and also not Green, since I can’t support Stein), but at this point my biggest concern is realizing the largest mandate possible of rejecting Trumpism, so I’ll be voting Clinton (also after researching things I saw the far left demonizing Clinton a lot, and while I didn’t vote for her, I currently don’t think she’s the monster she’s painted as by the far left or right). There are other strategies that also make sense for the non-swing state case.

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For me Hillary’s unlikeability isn’t ‘it’s a woman trying to get power.’

It’s ‘A career politician that’s made very bald faced unabashed steps to gather more power around themselves over the years’ that I find unlikeable. Clinton’s associations with walmart doens’t help in the matter any and only adds to me disliking them.

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Soltysik/Walker not on the ballot in Texas? (are they anywhere?)

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I had to Google them. Socialist Party candidates. They make Jill Stein look popular by comparison.

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it’s something to do with Wordpress, I think, and how contributors who aren’t the Big 6 (Pesco, Jason, Mark, Xeni, Rob, Cory) have their accounts set up. It’s not just Siede, it’s seemingly all the posts not in the Big 6. an annoyance, but usually these things boil down to an irreconcilable effect of the 3rd party software that, since it ain’t gone yet, is probably here to stay.

[see also: video embeds in the OPs on the BBS. WP and Discourse will not work together and make them show when the post is auto-generated into Discourse. the Discourse team is aware, but there’s nothing they can really do. I assume this is a similar type of issue]

what say you, @beschizza?

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Well the initial plan was a write in:

In TX, the ballot will have the GOP, Dems, Greens, Libertarians, and the Constitution Party.

Apparently Socialist Party USA will be on the ballot in Colorado. Sad, that.

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Yeah, but they followed me back on Twitter, so I like them.

The Cow will have someone to vote for!

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I would seriously question the criteria by which Clinton is ‘qualified’ to govern.

To me, democratic representatives ought to represent the people, not just themselves and the ultra-rich. To me, a leader is qualified if they strive for peace, not push for insane wars of “opportunity” that have been shown to further destabilise the world.

It has nothing to do with gender and applies doubly so to Trump.

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I’m going to imagine that they are:

Being the 67th United States Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013, the junior United States Senator representing New York from 2001 to 2009, First Lady of the United States during the presidency of Bill Clinton from 1993 to 2001, and First Lady of Arkansas during his governorship from 1979 to 1981 and from 1983 to 1992.

She wasn’t my choice, but she’s absolutely got a shedload of relevant experience.

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So basically the US has virtually never had a qualified president.

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Yes, that’s pretty much the case, albeit with a few near misses. Wouldn’t you like to break that cycle somehow?

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I’d be all for it, though I can’t say whether it’s at all possible given the realities of campaign finance, corporate media, PR, poor general education of the populace, and the Constitution itself. It’s a good ideal to use for reforms, though.

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Jimmy Carter could run again in four years time, if he is still alive. He’d only be 96.

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Pretty sure he’s my favorite president out of the lot. The problem is we need a Nixon to come along to get someone like that elected.

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Proportional voting in our lifetime!

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QFT. But some of the pinkoes here might disagree.

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How is this specific to HRC? I mean, other than the fact that you subbed in her name for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama and all of the other politicians whose names I’ve heard inserted into the exact same cute story over the years…

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Why do I HAVE to like her? Because she is a woman or because I am a woman and I am required to like all women? Why is it that with Hillary, I am denied an opinion, a point of view, or my own personal feelings. Why must I conform to what other women want me to feel and think about Hillary.

Hillary crashed through the glass ceiling and she did not come back for women who looked like me in my income bracket. When she worked for Walmart she made zero attempt to help women. When she worked as a lawyer, she accused a child rape victim of seduction when Hillary knew her client was guilty. She saw the baby’s blood on her panties. What kind of woman does that? She didn’t stand up for poor, single mothers. She threw them under the bus with the welfare reform act and her advocating this bill increased poverty 20%. And then there is her “super predator” comment. Her comments about incremental change got under my skin in the worse way.

I do not like Hillary. I do not like what she stands for. She is a liar. She is classist, elitist and a diva.

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He earned points for me with:

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It’s not specific to her because it doesn’t have to be; she is not different from them.

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