Yes, many working-class whites became Reagan supporters. I don’t know if one can blame the 60s progressive movement for that.
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I’m tired of semantics wars
No; they aren’t. Bernie is a good candidate, Hillary is a bloody awful candidate.
The only thing that could justify voting for Hillary would be if the opposition were led by a fascist or a theocrat…which it almost certainly will be.
Which just makes it doubly important to ensure that Hillary Clinton does not become the Democratic candidate.
If it’s Hillary vs Trump or Hillary vs Cruz, we’re all screwed no matter who wins. The only choice in that election will be “do you want to die in an instantaneous fireball, or would you prefer a slow, lingering but equally fatal sort of thing?”.
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If what I’ve read here over the last couple of years is any guide, “outstanding economic growth” is considered by a lot of the Democratic left to be a very bad thing from an environmental POV. What the USA and the world apparently need to do is to redistribute a shrinking pie.
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It was not hard to build a national consensus against racism when the face of racism was mobs keeping a six year old girl from going to school, or thugs fire bombing a church, or cops wielding fire hoses.
When the face of racism is someone chalking “Vote Trump” on a sidewalk, or a hundred-year old statue of a Confederate soldier, or someone asking a black woman “Do you tan?” - maybe not so much.
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Sure. We were talking 60s, not 2010s. The people I knew 50 years ago would be disgusted by where we are today - not that it was better then, but there was so much promise and optimism back then!
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yep. and it is reasonable to assume that being jew-ish is / will be a greater liability for Sanders than being a Socialist. At the moment watching from afar it appears that in a country where religion and politics are seamlessly fused, Sanders Jewish (non-religious) affiliations are his greatest liability, being a socialist is merely a side show.
Then again there is a Black President in the White House–who would have thought that even remotely possible a decade ago…
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Why would we?
We were talking about whether progressives could nurture more trust with POC and women by listening to them more than arguing about what’s reasonable to think.
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I am a woman (though not a POC). I do not trust Clinton any further than I can throw her. As has been stated in the forums elsewhere, she’s a pro-choice moderate Republican. A vote for Clinton is a vote for Plutocracy.
Tom Hayden is just another Boomer sellout.
This^
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People who are racist antisemites aren’t likely to vote for Clinton either, for reasons unrelated to their racism. Anti-Zionists, OTOH, would prefer Sanders to her.
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Nearly every woman in my family for three generations would agree with this idea — except those who argued that voting is just a distraction from real community or revolutionary work.
But democratic socialists should be winning every delegate by now. We should be listening to why some women and POC may have sometimes felt safer with socially moderate GOP and dems for over 30 years.
I think democratic socialists will win more representative power and more primaries by listening more carefully and nurturing trust with constituents — meeting people where they are and then delivering the goods.
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I’m probably not that representative a sample. I grew up in Glorious Socialist Republic of Minnesota. I come from a Union family. I realized long ago that I was born in the wrong country (possibly around the time that Reagan was voted in by every single other state). Should’ve been born somewhere in Scandinavia, probably Denmark where half my genes come from. When Sanders announced he was running, I was somewhat taken aback. For the first time in my life, I had a candidate who represents my values. I’m deeply disappointed that the Dem party is so hellbent on giving us a turd sandwich to vote for in November instead.
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Right, the argument that, “We have to Unite against Trump” is stupid for several reasons.
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We didn’t unite against a stronger Republican candidate 8 years ago until august and that seemed to have no effect in the fall election.
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We don’t really know what the republicans are going to do so it might not be trump, so uniting against trump might actually be a waste of time.
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What is now early polling shows Bernie doing better against trump and uniting around a candidate who does worse against trump before the race is over doesn’t make any sense.
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You’re welcome to go, but stay the hell away from White Bear Lake and the southern 'burbs of St. Cloud. That’s who elected Bachmann.
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Unfortunately, that ridiculous downplaying of reality is not the face of racism in the U.S.
The current face of racism is that being in proximity to a LEO is likely to get you shot.
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I once went car shopping in White Bear Lake. I had to threaten to throw a chair through their plate glass window to get them to unlock the showroom door and let me out. True story.
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There’s no indication that progressives aren’t listening to POC other than their unwillingness to support Clinton for no reason.
You keep saying that, but there is no reason to believe it. The fact that Jews are regularly elected to public office in the US, even in regions like mine where the Jewish population is infinitesimal, is solid evidence that this particular manifestation of anti-Semitism has largely faded. Your response above that these offices are below the office of president is true, but is not evidence of anything.
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We should be winning every delegate and every primary. And there’s no indication that we aren’t listening to POC . . . except that we’re unreasonably losing primaries. Really?
We need to listen to constituents’ actual needs and then deliver the goods. That’s how we win.
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