I do remember the mass media occultism scare. Fortunately my own parents were smarter than that but some of my friends were not so fortunate. Whether it was political or not is another matter. I can’t remember any politicians bringing this up but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Had @doctorow chosen to bring up this aspect, it might have been relevant but I still object to tying an ad featuring kids of both genders having fun as having anything to do with Ron & Maggie
Front 242 was one of my fave bands in college. The source of the only band poster I ever bought, and the second CD I bought (the first was Peter Gabriel’s Passion).
How about if I byte-compile my elisp code? I don’t do that often enought. I need to set the byte-compile-on-save hook here at work again…
Wow. Gamergate threads can go all tangenty, but here, where are specifically talking about historicity?
You weren’t buying music until college? Wow! or am I misreading this that you bought other music on other media before then?
Ah yes, the old “don’t discuss politics at a dinner party” line. Employed by people for whom the enjoyment of a dinner party is more important than addressing injustice or social problems. A variant found in less erudite circles: “Dude, don’t harsh my mellow!” In which the complaining party has been caused to recognize an unpleasant state of affairs in the real world, rather than remain in a pleasant intoxicated reverie.
How do you get that from what I wrote?
At the intersection of:
and:
Lead me to read your message as saying that you would rather not be bothered, but you are bothered enough to say so, by other people saying they see something about a feminist perspective (or a race and sexual preference perspectives) in some aspect of culture, on their own website. Which you choose to visit, to see their perspectives on things.
Don’t be discouraged from visiting! But do check your expectations a bit if you truly think that someone else needs to be more responsible with your perceptions that you bring to the table. I’m probably overstating my point, not trying to offend.
The first vinyl I remember buying was Talking Heads’ 77. I got that in St. Cloud’s Electric Fetus (a small MN chain at the time) sometime in the mid-80s. I may have gotten vinyl from the Columbia Records House before that, but I’m not sure on the timing; I’ve always remembered that as my first vinyl. I almost certainly bought casette tapes prior to that. I think.
Given the large number of threads that @Israel_B has chimed in on that are specifically addressing injustice or social problems, I’m just going to say you’re barking up the wrong tree.
He can fight his own battles, but so does the EPA, and I can still speak out against polluters.
why did you reply to me and quote someone else?
Uh, but Cory’s a science fiction writer. He’s always thinking about time, and how the products and culture of today can shape different tomorrows, and how the memorabilia of yesteryear was a product of that context.
And, yes, all ads are political. You can’t be a man if you don’t smoke the same cigarettes as me.
I let him speak for himself. I’ve had too many people try to guess my intent to inflict that on anyone else.
I thought the reference was fairly clear. In the early 1970s, liberalism was fairly strong; Reagan, Thatcher, and Mulroney were the public leaders of a coordinated general attack on liberalism. Pinochet was more extreme, but was backed to the hilt by conservatives, and Chile under Pinochet was where neoliberal policies were first put in place – at gun point, over the dead bodies of thousands of murdered leftists who supported a democratically-elected socialist government.
(Coincidentally – it can’t really be a simple cause-and-effect, but I do think neoliberalism is a common factor – the date of the coup in Chile was within weeks of the inflection point at which real wages in the US stopped increasing.)
I was a child then, but I still remember a vaguely liberal vibe from the government and media; public service announcements and a fair amount of popular entertainment tended to encourage ideals of racial integration and gender equity. And I was old enough to perceive that the atmosphere changed after Reagan was elected.
Ya got me.
Didn’t Ralph Nader call Nixon the last “liberal” president? I think I remember that. but yeah, I think watergate and all that finally broke the postwar liberal consensus.
Seconded. It was … disconcerting going from the “progressive” 70s Sesame Street vibe to the “greed is good” 80s.
Probably. I often understand liberalism as a strategy adopted by the US ruling class following WWII, as it wished to convert the US’s temporary but enormous economic and military power into permanent global dominance. Modestly progressive domestic policies were intended to forestall dissent that might slow that project down. For a while, about until the Nixon administration, both guns and butter were affordable. By the mid-70s, they weren’t. If ever we were genuinely at a crossroads, it was at that moment.
I’d say that it was in part through the New Deal and during the war - the government expansion was working well enough to continue along with it. I think before Watergate it would have been unthinkable to really attack the welfare state, but after Johnson and Nixon, people were kind of done and deeply suspicious of government.
It says that the enemy is Satan. But… But… The temple was the Temple of Diana! Am I confused, or what? I can’t even keep my propaganda straight anymore!
I think most people who think that D&D is satanism wouldn’t know their Diana from Baphomet…
Timely.
And it didn’t get burnt, so you might be able to buy it!
