Looks pretty normal to me, although I’ve never been to Moscow
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Well, the latest seems to be that they’re stopped about 200km(?) from Moscow right now? So… 
But as @OWYAC pointed out further up, there is conflicting info out there…
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“Prigozhin was offered to give up the idea of going to Moscow, and in response was offered the security of Wagner. They also promised to resolve the issue of Shoigu and Gerasimov,” Russian media report.
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It must be difficult coming to a peaceful agreement when both sides are duplicitous murdering bastards who have zero reason to trust each other.
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Regardless of how this insurrection is ends, the damage is done. Putin is severely wounded as the political leader of Russia. Things may unravel quickly for him. And Russian forces in Ukraine have been thrown into chaos at the upper echelons. The battlefield may also unravel.
Downfall: Coup D’Blyat Edition.
Earlier today:
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https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1672659674393628673
https://twitter.com/russianforces/status/1672669838429306880
Elon seems to be blocking certain people’s tweets from embeddening.
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I think that our hosts have turned off tweet embedding.
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Igor Girkin says that “there are now two presidents”. The “nominal president” Putin will kneel before the “real president” Prigozhin and ask him what he wants.
Locals in Rostov applaud Wagnerites as they pack up to leave the city. The cheering is not it seems because they want them gone but because they support them.
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Maybe Ukraine can cut them off where they are now.
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Also posting to Mastodon.
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He’s flip-flopped on that… I believe that back in 2014, he was in favour of the annexation of Crimea, but recently, (to gain international cred, maybe?), he’s come out against the annexation of any Ukrainian territory among other things.
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Maybe, but how does pulling out a large portion of their forces in Ukraine remotely help their effort to conquer Ukraine or help putin look more powerful? It’s entirely possible that this is all for show, but how would it help Putin out to look like the forces he’s supposed to command is rebelling against him?
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My thoughts, and brief summary on the situation:
The recent events have sparked contemplation on whether Prigozhin will endure the aftermath or succumb to its consequences. However, there is no doubt that this rebellion carries far-reaching implications.
From both external and internal perspectives, Putin’s image has weakened, reminiscent of the Japanese emperor during the Sengoku period. Similar to a symbolic figure, the emperor held nominal power while warring samurai clans vied for control over Japan.
Though Putin still wields undeniable power, it is evident that he has lost control over the situation, resulting in a significant crack in his perceived ability to exert authority and manage internal affairs. Additionally, Putin had to rely on the intervention of a foreign leader (Belarus) to resolve the internal conflict.
These events highlight the potential use of military force against Putin’s government as a means to coerce acceptance of terms, although the details of the arrangement between Prigozhin and Putin-Lukashenko remain undisclosed. If a replacement occurs within the top military command, it would only reinforce such behavior.
Furthermore, this upheaval exposes the inherent weakness within the system itself. Numerous senior officers responsible for decision-making chose to abstain from issuing orders or making decisive moves, opting to wait for the outcome.
The relatively swift movement of Wagner forces from Ukraine to Moscow within a span of less than a day, coupled with the chaotic attempts to destroy bridges and hastily dig ditches near Moscow, have laid bare the unpreparedness of the system to face a genuine threat.
It has been intriguing to witness the involvement of various groups, including the Club of Angered Patriots led by Strelkov, the Rusich neo-Nazi military unit, and the Kadyrovites, aligning themselves with different factions within the conflict. This development reveals a landscape that hints at the potential for a future civil war,
While the immediate repercussions of the current events will become apparent in the coming weeks, it is crucial to recognize that we are merely at the inception of something far more significant. The unfolding situation carries profound implications that extend beyond the present moment.
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I’m not even sure that shower of shits wouldn’t just send him straight back if he fled prosecution/sentencing.
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I’m a bit unsure of how much of a position shift that is.
Going by this cache from 2014 he was never on board with Putin’s implementation of the imperial project; but specifically because he saw Putin’s interests as a plutocrat compromising an imperial project that deserved better.
He’s against Putin’s post Maidan Revolution attacks on Ukraine because he sees them as an attempt to protect oligarchy at the expense of slavic solidarity against the asian and muslim elements of ‘eurasianism’(he presumably doesn’t refer to Ukrainians by the slur because they’re equal partners in the glorious Russian world; but they’re culturally acceptable inferiors, not subhumans; so he’s not happy to see them being punished for being against corruption while Chechen warlords are invited into the friend group).
In the same vein he’s deeply unimpressed by the ‘zOMG protecting the Russian babies of the Donbas!!’ stuff; primarily with an interest in areas further east where he says that the real(muslim, asiatic, or asiatic muslim) oppression of Russians is happening.
He’s against the farcical ‘referendum’ in Crimea not because he thinks it isn’t Russia’s(no kind words for Khrushchev there); but because he (correctly) notes that the whole exercise both tarnished Russia’s diplomatic reputation and could serve as inspiration for future referendums in Russian territory that would almost certainly be lost. He notes that, in Russia, it’s very illegal to propose secession by referendum for fairly obvious reasons.
It’s honestly a pretty similar position from a decade ago to the one described in the article you link: in 2014 he also said that imperialism was against the interests of the Russian people because the availability of land and resources already outstripped the supply of population and human capital development necessary to exploit it; so doing expensive, reputationally damaging, or bloody things to expand territory was just self-destructive map painting.
I’d be interested to know how he’d respond if probed a bit about the ongoing mass ‘evacuation’ of Ukrainian children that the Russians have been up to in areas they control. That would be one aspect of the conduct of the war that would be an excellent fit for his description of Russian interest; but also one that doesn’t play well internationally or with his ‘liberal’ cred.
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