What it's like to teach evolution at the University of Kentucky

Turtles are the only rational answer in an irrational existence.

Off-topic, but I’m glad someone besides me is digging Stand Still Stay Silent.

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I presume by the above you’re answering the question posed below

Are you using “monkeys” in a technical, taxonomical sense? Would a talking ape be satisfactory proof?

Edited for typo.

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What an interesting link.

Here is the first sentence of the final paragraph:

You have me completely confused as to what you hope to communicate by replying to my post with that link I won’t even try to speculate as to your intention, but I’ll repeat the question robulus posed in reply to you earlier.

And I’ll repeat my own query about your response to him, which was:

My question is this: Would you accept talking apes?

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There’s a legend that Orang Utans are as smart as us, they just don’t let on, in case we give them jobs to do. Your position is idiotic, by the way. I just thought I’d cheer everyone up a bit with the Orang Utan story. Good, isn’t it?

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Sorry about the confusion. My gmail account can be challenging at times.

Talking apes?

Sure. Not those trained by biologists to press buttons though. I can teach
my dog to do that, but I like my dog and communicate to him in his language.

Using a source that treats allegorical fictions as actual events isn’t helping your argument.

[quote]@Someguy
Theory of Evolution.
Theory of Gravity.
Theory of Light.
Theory of Relativity.[/quote]

Newtonian mechanics have been supersceded because they’re provably ‘wrong’ … except they haven’t completely been supersceded because even though they’re ‘wrong’ they are still ‘right enough’ for an most every-day uses. And they’re an awful lot easier to user than the modern replacements.

Heck, even ‘flat earth theory’ has it’s place. If I throw a ball into the air and want to know where it’ll land, ‘flat earth theory’ will work fine and be a lot easier than treating Earth as a sphere. Similarly, if I want to build a house and start by laying a concrete pad … ech, treating Earth as a flat plane will work just fine.

Scientists have definately moved on since Darwins day, but Darwins basic theories are still useful for an awful lot of people.

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Unfortunately, yes :frowning:

The good news is that it seems to have closed down sometime in the last couple of years.

No worries on that count. We can leave Washoe and Nim Chimpsky and their ilk out of this.

You, personally, already know quite a few of these talking apes.

With a current population in the neighborhood of 7.3 billion, Homo sapiens sapiens are the most numerous of the great apes, and very nearly all of them can talk.

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Talking monkeys.

I can’t tell if you’re answering my question or hurling insults at me.

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Well played Sir. Well played.

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Are you using some “how to argue against evolution” checklist?

Darwin used investigation of multiple species extinction events as a bridge between micro and macro-evolution - very clever given that he had no better way to look at long timeframes.

Since Darwin’s time, however, transitional fossils, DNA sequencing and observed speciation make macro-evolution as proven as micro.

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Just don’t give monkeys (or orangutans) guns.

Guns Don’t Kill People - Monkeys With Guns Kill People.:

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I agree.

However, the person I was replying to seemed to think any flaw in Darwin’s theory meant that the idea of evolution itself was wrong.

I am not continuing the arguement with them though as their ideas are not even wrong.

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The London specimen of Archaeopteryx lithographica was discovered a couple years after the first edition of On the Origin of Species.

It is a remarkable transitional fossil. Of course Archaeopteryx was a good living species, but Archaeopteryx, Microraptor, etc. all show intermediate forms between classic dinosaurs and classic birds.

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I like that a lot, even though I don’t believe. I’ll try it on my evolution-skeptical mom.

This clip from a UK program might explain our stance on the matter -
https://youtu.be/Sy32xB5U9cY?t=24m36s (start at 24:36).