When a black woman becomes a white man online

[Mister44]

@milliefink

The better question I would have is, what percentage of men are misogynistic and what percentage of white people are racist?

Not sure, though, that such things are precisely quantifiable, and anyway, the numbers for both are so near 100% that I don’t see how finding a precise number would be all that helpful.

[Willem_Engelbrecht]

Interesting.

As straight white male I don’t think I’ve ever read anything positive said about people like me. Everybody else yes , people like me , no. (With side note , pretty sure I’m the only legally discriminated minority here)

Can’t help wondering , if we tell girls that girls are bad at math it turns out that girls think they are bad at math. How will it turn out if we keep telling people that they are monsters based on their race and genitals…

[chenille]

@Willem_Engelbrecht

As straight white male I don’t think I’ve ever read anything positive said about people like me.

I am certain you have read tons of positive things about straight white males - presidents, Nobel prize winners, war heroes, movie stars, and so on. It’s just because of how this stuff works, you may have overlooked just how much was all about people like you.

[Brainspore]

@Willem_Engelbrecht

As straight white male I don’t think I’ve ever read anything positive said about people like me. Everybody else yes , people like me , no.

Here’s a fun game:

1. Do a Google image search for “American History Book.”
2. When you see a straight white male, take a drink.
3. Die of alcohol poisoning without ever having to scroll past the first few results.

[milliefink]

@aikimo

I noticed that “Could you provide evidence to support your assertions?” isn’t listed.

If you can’t hear the echoes between that and “Can you prove your experience is widespread” and “You’re arguing with opinions not fact,” and slightly more distant echoes to other common responses on that car card, then I guess I’m just wasting my time by interacting with you.

[the_borderer]

It works with British history books too, although it might take a little longer to die.

You can speed it up by having a drink everytime someone is English though.

[milliefink]

Mister44 & Aloisius,

If you have yet to acknowledge your own “unconscious bias” and likely tendencies toward “ingroup favoritism,” let alone those of most men and most white people, then I’m not surprised that you find my “near 100%” assertions outlandish. To paraphrase Chomsky, many truths are so widely unknown that hearing them strikes most people like hearing news from Neptune.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/05/21/3440209/discrimination-favoritism/

[SamSam]

@Willem_Engelbrecht

As straight white male I don’t think I’ve ever read anything positive said about people like me.

Oh for Christ Sake. First @sargemisfit and now this. Did this post get link to from White Mens Rights or something?

Not that this

@milliefink

Not sure, though, that such things are precisely quantifiable, and anyway, the numbers for both are so near 100%

helped the discussion either.

What a stupid thread. My mistake for thinking BB readers would be better than this. Signing off.

[Brainspore]

And it’s not just “old timey stuff that happened back in the old days before we got rid of racism and sexism” either. See: Wired Magazine for a contemporary example.

[awfulhorrid]

@Willem_Engelbrecht

(With side note , pretty sure I’m the only legally discriminated minority here)

Why yes, of course. I was just observing the other day how appalling it is the number of states arguing vehemently to continue their practice of preventing straight white males from marrying.

[aikimo]

@milliefink

then I guess I’m just wasting my time by interacting with you.

See, there’s always something two people can agree on! But remember, any white supremacist or “men’s rights” advocate could present your bingo card with the same effect. It works for anyone who is more interested in baselessly judging strangers than in a constructive exchange of facts.

[chgoliz]

@Willem_Engelbrecht

pretty sure I’m the only legally discriminated minority here

Not even close.

[Mister44]

If you want to point out humans have an unconscious bias and tend to favor groups they are similar to, I’ll go along with that.

Of course that isn’t at all how you phrased it by singling out one group.

I also see a big difference between “unconscious bias” and misogyny and racism. I realize other people have a different threshold of tolerance and will claim either at the slightest infraction, but I don’t think trying to lump people who make “harmless” discriminatory decisions in with those who threaten to rape random people on Twitter furthers any cause and only hardens otherwise reasonable people to your point.

[Glitch]

Isn’t there an old saying?

“The Internet: Where men are men, women are also men, and children are FBI agents.”

[milliefink]

@Mister44

If you want to point out humans have an unconscious bias and tend to favor groups they are similar to, I’ll go along with that.

Of course that isn’t at all how you phrased it by singling out one group.

Yeah well, since we live in a de facto white supremacist, heterosexist, and so on patriarchy, it’s the unconscious biases that those in majority categories have about those in minority categories that in almost all ways actually matter.

@Mister44

I don’t think trying to lump people who make “harmless” discriminatory decisions in with those who threaten to rape random people on Twitter furthers any cause and only hardens otherwise reasonable people to your point.

Harmless in what way? I imagine you know what microaggressions are, and maybe as well the costs for those who endure them of endless, nearly uncountable examples? And why did you put the word harmless in quotation marks?

[thatspecial]

Just a small correction to your stats.

I’m white and male, but neither misogynistic or racist.

So, I guess, ‘near 99.9999999999999%’.

Unless, of course, I’m not the only white male who doesn’t have those traits. You would have to ask around.

[thatspecial]

It would, I suspect, be eye opening to try this the other way around.

As a white, male, I’ve not really pointed that out, as such, in posts (beyond the two posts on the this here forum.) Of course, it may be possible to determine that fact anyway, from things I write, I’m not sure.

The ‘eye opening’ bit would be to try posting as a female. With an indication (avatar or whatever) one is female rather than pretending to be. Likewise coloured or both of the above. I suspect it would usefully educational for me, but I might feel a bit creepy doing it.

[milliefink]

@thatspecial

I’m white and male, but neither misogynistic or racist.

I hope that for the sake of the women and non-white people you encounter, you come to know yourself better.

We’re soaking in racism and sexism. there’s no way we can avoid absorbing at least some of it, no matter how non-racist and non-sexist we like to think we are.

[disarticulate]

What ever is going on in this thread, it certainly can’t be good for the white man.*

* your interpretation of this comment determines everything

[CaptainPedge]

you, sir or madam, are talking out of your arse.