And yet, here you are. Commenting. About a “fucking hashtag”.
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commenting on an article about comments about a hashtag.
At least I don’t pretend to be doing anything important.
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Exactly.
But I’m sure there are also those people who didn’t pay any attention to any slogans before, who now need to be told which slogan was “here first”.
The men crashing the “Conference Against Violence Against Women” (CAVAW) are definitely in the wrong. But so would be the men who organize a “Conference Against Violence Against Everyone” (CAVAE) and use a deceptively similar logo - I think that’s the closest analogy to “All Lives Matter”. The people who organise a “Symposion on the Prevention of Violence” are entirely blameless, though, and in fact, many people will want to attend both CAVAW and SPV.
And my advice for people for whom the focus of CAVAW is just a bit too narrow or doesn’t fit their priorities is to just attend SPV, and not try to sabotage CAVAW by supporting CAVAE.
P.S.:
It’s also interesting to think about this matter in the context of the “Je suis Charlie” slogan - there have been various variations on that slogan, too, and fights about the proper way to defend freedom of speech, or about what exact kind of freedom to defend.
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Does not compute.
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Wait a second… Chuck_C just joined. One post. He seems to have a problem with the hashtag. He might be a racist, or he might just be insufficiently anti-racist. If he ever comes back for another post, we’ll know.
But what you’re basically saying is “Everyone who disagrees with me, maybe you should stop and ask why all the other guys who disagree with me are on your side.”
And that’s not saying much.
As for Wiggin… I think he’s just trolling. I’ve met real racists online. They are a different category again.
I like this nice echo chamber here. I like the sound of those echoes. They don’t always agree with me entirely, but they stay comfortably close to my opinion. But an echo chamber is half the fun when it becomes too obvious.
I advise anyone who looks around them and can’t see racism to try looking in a mirror.
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Chuck_C is going on about how “Why don’t the protestors be like Dr King”, ignoring the fact that the EXACT THINGS he’s saying now were said about King’s marches at the time. The exact same stuff. He describes the protestors as “violent mobs that laid waste to Ferguson” - what violent mobs laid waste to Ferguson? Is he talking about the cops who had attacks and brutalized protestors and media? Or is he maybe talking about the police officers caught looting in Baltimore?
He’s talking about how the “jury is still out on Grey” - no it isn’t. The man was arrested, and then beaten to death by cops who had a history of brutalizing prisoners. No matter WHAT Grey did, how the cops acted was flat-out wrong. Chuck_C is making excuses and acting like there is a reason for cops to beat a black man they have as prisoner to death if they feel like it. While saying that black people are actually anti-white supremacists spreading double-speak.
If you can’t see how he’s a racist, you need to get some glasses. Dude is literally outright saying there are acceptable murders against black people if the cops feel like it.
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But statistically speaking, their bias isn’t wrong.
Of adults arrested for murder, 52.1 percent were black, and 45.5 percent were white.
Their bias is largely a self-fulfilling prophesy though.
Pull over and search every car with a black driver and you’ll end up finding more black drivers with something illegal in their cars. Stop-and-frisk people of color and you’ll find more people of color carrying drugs. Criminalize baggy pants and suddenly all the people who wear baggy pants are, by definition, criminals. Let the police brutalize and discriminate against the black community for a few generations and you’ll have a community that has diminished respect for law enforcement (and, by extension, the rule of law itself).
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Apparently I’m not most people then because when I say ‘All Lives Matter’ I mean All Lives. You, Her, That Guy, Dude out in the field working his ass off because his home country is shit, kid that’s fresh off of school wondering what to do with his life?
Again. Everyone Matters. We just need to focus a bit more attention on Women and Minorities because they keep getting shit on intentionally or otherwise and that needs to stop.
Source: Am White Male Southerner.
Edit: I dunno anything about the ‘all lives matter’ official slogan campaign thing. So that may very well be run by a bunch of racist fuckwits trying to point at other things. Or go ‘I’m not racist but.’ Mine is more a personal philosophical stance not aligned with any group.
Black Lives Matter.
Hispanic Lives Matter.
Women’s Lives Matter.
Basic Humanity and Decency to one’s fellow person Matters.
I think the “implied ‘too’” stuff is a bunch of nonsense. Everyone knows that there is an implied “too”. The reason the “Black Lives Matter” slogan is dumb, is because everyone KNOWS that they matter, because ALL LIVES MATTER. If “Black Lives Matter” is ever going to be truly meaningful, and not just a stupid divisive platitude, then it should be used and chanted when Blacks Kill Blacks or when Blacks are killed by any other race as well, not just when Blacks are killed by Whites.
All Lives Matter is not a stupid thing to say, it’s the truth. And if you can’t see that I question your intellectual an moral capacity.
Why not? SJW happened. At least in their minds… (ftr, both drive me bonkers)
And yet more kudos. And further, I think it should be an “update” in the OP.
@brainspore, did you make that image, or find it somewhere? If the former, you’re even more of a genius than I already thought you were.
I’d pay a little more attention to you if you actually dealt with the original post as if you’ve actually read it.
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let me summarize that for you: the bias of police results in them making biased arrests. thanks for proving the point!
it’s well known that stop and frisk, broken windows policies, and selective enforcement – like why sandra bland got pulled over in the first place – are to blame for above average arrests.
lack of access to counsel, plea bargaining, and steep bonds then help turn those arrests into convictions. even when the person is innocent.
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Aw shucks, ain’t no thing but a caption.
The hard part was getting my hands on a time machine to take the original photo.
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Right-o. Then please stick to the lakes and rivers that you’re used to.
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This is precisely how I consider most social problems. The problem here I think of as racism itself, and that it is secondary who does it to whom. Partly, this is because it is a functional problem, which can arise in any area, between any people. And also partly because racists do not base their irrational hatred upon the actual people who are subjected top it. Those who are racist against black people are absolutely not hating a real quality of “blackness”, but rather their own idea of what it represents to them. So there is a paradox that the subjects of their hate are real people who deserve real consideration, but doing so does not directly affect racist ideology, because it was never based upon who they really are.
The idea that one should in practice treat somebody differently based upon their race, ethnicity, sex, gender, etc is far more problematic than the specifics of which a given person happens to be. I honestly think that going after the process of being racist is more effective than sticking up for a group of people. Regardless of whether the group happens to include me or not. But this in no way precludes people from acting on those fronts as well.
Why, if we all erased all of our differences, all of our identities, all of our histories, and all of our struggles, and just became one with the dominant culture that tells us what we need to be to be treated as equal, all our problems would be gone!
“Colorblindness” like you’re preaching is still a form of racism. Go and solve violent racism, and THEN preach to people they shouldn’t talk about how racism effects them because they’re black.
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