Why (or why not) to vote for Bernie Sanders

Nice summary!


Clinton’s eight-year term in the Senate produced bills to regulate video game violence and flag burning, both of which died in committee.

Bill Clinton’s eight-year term in the White House gave us an expanded Earned Income Tax Credit and a small children’s health insurance program — but also NAFTA, the 1994 crime bill, welfare reform, the Defense of Marriage Act, financial deregulation, and a grand bargain to gut Social Security that was only thwarted by a timely sex scandal.

The pragmatic, piecemeal, and irreproachably moderate achievements of Jimmy Carter are still more dispiriting. Even judged by the charitable standards of American liberalism, the forty-year balance sheet of “incremental progress” is decidedly negative.

Beltway pundits scoff at Sanders’s model of change …

They naturally fail to mention that as a matter of historical record, the Sanders model happened to produce Social Security, the National Labor Relations Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare, and Medicaid.

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Well, the thread title question is moot for me now…Feeling the Bern at 7am is a good way to start the day (and, it’s worth noting, at least in my neck of the woods, a good way to skip the lines…)

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Were you the only voter in the entire state? I hope I hope I hope!

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Until Nov, anyway.

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Nice little roundtable on Sanders. I don’t like it when people gush over politicians, but it was tolerable and the substance of the discussion really encompasses the “why” of whether or not to vote for Sanders.

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Welp, @cowicide is gone once again:

Okay then.

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That was always going to happen. Hopefully in a few weeks, once Clinton has lost, we can move on.

I am not enjoying the needling that’s going on here on the political threads. I do feel as if we’re being trolled to an extent (but hey, it’s their website, free ice cream etc). I think I may need to avoid them. But it’s so hard!

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I don’t know… I have no expectation that the powers that be are going to agree with me. But that’s okay. I don’t take it as a personal affront.

Seems like there is more here than meets the eye.

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Are you saying Hillary is a Decepticon? Well, maybe. :grin:

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Could be worse. Wait until Mark starts up with the Gary Johnson posts.

Hopefully Xeni will come out for Jill Stein.

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I was actually talking about the new @cowicide banning!

But yeah, she’s surely a decepticon! Now the Transformers song is stuck in my head… Thanks!!! :wink:

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It looks like it’s just a ban until May 10th.

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Yep, it is. I guess he’ll come back then.

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Still nearly 5 hours until polls close in New York. Waiting…

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Exit polls are suggesting Clinton 53 : 47. With the margin of error from exit polls, it’s going to be a long night.

Look at the age and racial breakdowns in the exit polls. Sanders is winning voters ages 18 to 24 by a margin of 85 percent to 15 percent, while Clinton is winning voters ages 65 and over by a margin of 70 percent to 30 percent. Among racial groups, Sanders carries whites by 9 percentage points, while Clinton takes Latinos by 18 percentage points and blacks by 43 percentage points. All-in-all it makes for a closer race on the Democratic side (in the exit polls at least) than pre-election polls suggested.

Trump’s going to win by a landslide on the other side.

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Or not. Shit.

Guess I’ll be sending some money to the Greens tomorrow.

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God dammit New York.

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At least jlw and our Egyptian friend will be happy, and I have alcohol.

Here’s to someone better, 2024.

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2024? Maybe. If Clinton wins the general, I can’t see her winning again in 2020. She might not even run – she’d be 72.

Anyway, fuck the corporate media for constantly ignoring Sanders, and fuck the New York Dem’s disenfranchisement methods.

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Ignoring superdelegates until the convention, Bernie still needs less than 56% of the remaining delegates to win, which was true after March 15. It’s still unlikely but still not impossible.

At least that’s what I’m hanging on to at the moment. :cold_sweat:

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