Windows 10 defaults to keylogging, harvesting browser history, purchases, and covert listening

I don’t care how many resources it uses; generally, I’m not trying to render video or edit music, or anything else especially resource intensive when I’m writing documentation or doing analysis in Excel.

I do like being able to read documents generated by our customers and my colleagues, and to be able to give them documents I author safe in the knowledge that they will be able to open them without problems. That is a more overriding concern than watching the task manager performance indicator track at my preferred level.

This is indeed an important feature and I meant it less a slam against you and more ‘windows itself runs fine on an early dual core machine with a decentish bit of ram. why can’t office run similarly well?’

I was looking forward to the new office since for me it’s office 2000, libre office, abiword, other open source things, or nothing.

I’m pretty sure it does docx fine. I KNOW it does doc fine since I’ve edited my stepdad’s resume then sent it back to him and he managed it fine on office 07.

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Sorry, I guess I’m just a little defensive about abandoning the free software revolution for the sake of convenience for work and escapism for video games. It’s just so bourgeois of me.

If it weren’t for network effects, I would tend to prefer more efficient software that could run on obsolete hardware myself.

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I am still waiting on an independent security report on the effects of turning things off. I am concerned that even if you track the network activity, the data leaks could be delayed, or pushed as a part of the data used by other services.

Or maybe I should just trust Microsoft’s word? What would you do?

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For now I’m going to trust Microsoft since they’re doing the same as Google. However having a really independent thing would be great.

We need that.

So the reason everyone uses windows is…

The long term consequences of anti-competitive behavior! See you at the library.

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(there’s always one)

This makes me feel nostalgic for the 90’s. Back then, you expected microsoft to be the ones pulling this sort of evil stuff. Now, everyone’s paying more attention to apple and google. But this shows that Redmond hasn’t gone all soft and fuzzy yet.

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Adobe. I need to edit video and images.

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Most mobile apps can and do send data back such as which buttons you press, how long you stay, your location, your os, ect, ect… I’m not sure why this is such a shocker. Information is valuable these days, why do you think they are letting people upgrade for free? lol.

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The real question: Does turning any of this shit off actually turn it off?

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I haven’t seen it do anything untowards since setting things up. Nothing large enough has gone out that would indicate it’s being secretly sent out.

And frankly, since they took all the time to make it difficult/harder to turn it off, I’m assuming they thought pretty hard about how things would go down for all the people who wanted it off found out it was still on. That would probably drive enough people over to Mac that they just can’t afford to lose that right now.

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I switched to OpenOffice in May of 2002, then to LibreOffice. I have no idea why anyone would pay for Office.

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How is using a speech activated assistant ‘covert listening’? It’s one of the most advertised new features in the operating system ffs, what’s covert about it? Also, I think you have to explicitly turn that one on as well, otherwise Cortana is only activated when you click the Cortana button, it only listens in the background if you switch on the ‘hey cortana’ feature.

The data is anonymised and deleted after 30 days btw, they use it for training their neural networks and to help finding bugs, same with the inking data and keylogging (which is only used in Cortana and the Edge search box).

The advertising stuff would be the only thing that annoys me really.

Edit: didn’t mean to reply to you @SteampunkBanana, just to the thread.

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so, it’s like visiting boing boing

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Are you responding to the right person? I don’t recall saying it’s ‘covert listening’, I just recall turning it all off, as I have enough speech activated assistants in the house. They are called children and work much better than internet searches, given their ability to go to the kitchen or “shut the front door.”

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Yeah, software selection, unfortunately.

…and in a few years they will anonymise your data (they won’t care who is talking to them or about what) and they too will want all of your money! :wink:

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The real WTF is that people play Solitaire, the most boring “game” ever.

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Freecell has a bit of thinking to it and was nice to fiddle with while waiting for a restore to finish, patch to install, etc.

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With the added bonus that you can easily deactivate the tracking functions.

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