doctorow — 2014-03-05T14:52:00-05:00 — #1
lafave — 2014-03-05T16:17:51-05:00 — #2
If Udall was really a stand-up guy, he stop with the oblique allusions and emulate Sen. Gravel . Take advantage of the Speech or Debate Clause and its immunity and read his secret Senate report into the Congressional Record.
crenquis — 2014-03-05T16:37:32-05:00 — #3
I see articles like this and I get all upset, but then I
remember bellyfeel freedom is slavery and all is well again...
eksrae — 2014-03-05T17:22:59-05:00 — #4
Bring 'em back to new hearings, flanked by US Marshals, and let them know in no uncertain terms that there are immediate consequences to lying to Congress.
cowicide — 2014-03-05T17:30:50-05:00 — #5
Next thing you know is they'll start using psy-ops on Senators.... Oh, wait...
sleepylemur — 2014-03-05T17:53:11-05:00 — #6
We should ask that reporter what he thinks of the current situation.
awjt — 2014-03-05T18:04:09-05:00 — #7
That's a great idea. I do think it would fall under intense scrutiny and get derailed. But it's worth a shot. A senator like Bernie should do it. He risks everything, though.
laynesk — 2014-03-05T21:55:51-05:00 — #8
Nothing to see here folks...nothing to see.
After years of excusing and justifying almost every executive overreach and transgression with fawning praise, it'll be interesting to see irrelevant mainstream journos put on their big-boy pants and try to act independent again. Im not sure they even remember how.
rocketpj — 2014-03-06T02:09:00-05:00 — #9
Illegally spying on another branch of government is the kind of thing that actually should justify impeachment. Not blowjobs or other silly bullshit, but actually seeking to circumvent and destroy the underpinnings of your constitutional state, that should qualify for impeachment.
It won't of course. But it makes a hell of a lot more sense than impeachment over a BJ.
wearysky — 2014-03-06T11:00:02-05:00 — #10
The wording here is a bit funny. It sounds, from reading the quotes in the article, that Obama is NOW aware of it. I'm not sure I see the implication that he knew about it as it was happening. I wouldn't even be remotely surprised, but that's not how I read it.
earnestinebrown — 2014-03-06T11:53:32-05:00 — #11
These people are undermining the country. GET RID OF THEM!
acerplatanoides — 2014-03-06T12:09:39-05:00 — #12
It sounds just that way to me too. But who are we to slow the mob, with our reading comprehension and assumption of innocence prior to guilt being proven?
Sure does bring up some good questions, and I hope the Senator finds appropriate closure for his concerns.
wearysky — 2014-03-06T12:12:45-05:00 — #13
Well, at least the Guardian had enough sense to add ", senator claims" to the end of their headline. Cory's headline is a typical Cory headline (and yes, yes, I know, (partially?) his website and all that, and why stick to the facts when you can get so many more clicks this way?)
acerplatanoides — 2014-03-06T12:36:03-05:00 — #14
I see your point, though I don't put BB on the same playing field as the Guardian. That's my own choice, and it helps prevent me from experiencing disappointment and then trying to blame someone else for it.
I have a hard time even calling the post title a 'headline' as that word choice communicates some notion that BB is a newspaper with accompanying responsibilities. It's a blog curated by some interesting opinionated people, one of whom is a snarky opinionated fiction writer. Takes all sorts to fill a freeway.
wearysky — 2014-03-06T14:48:06-05:00 — #15
I dunno - a blog post reporting a news story isn't really any different, to me, than a news website reporting a news story. In this particular instance, Cory is supposedly reporting on a story in the news - it's not an opinion piece, or an editorial. It's straight up reporting, no different from the reporting in the Guardian. Call it a "post title" if you want, but it serves the exact same purpose as a headline in a newspaper - grab the reader's attention. And when it's a misleading headline, it serves to alienate a certain subset of your readership. And that's fine - that's an editorial decision that Cory has chosen to make time and time again, and he's free to do so (as I mentioned above)... But when one is reporting on the actual news, even if one is not a reporter, I find it distasteful when one deliberately mis-reports it in order to generate more outrage (and thus, web traffic). It should be outrageous enough that a senator is implying it (though, I'm not sure the senator actually is, as per my above post), there's no need to ramp up the outrage even more.
I'm aware the BoingBoing is a blog, and not a news site, but I like to think that they're generally much higher quality than shitty linkbait sites like BuzzFeed or HuffPo, and Cory's fairly consistent mis-representing of stories in headlines (even if he then actually goes on to report accurately on the story itself, as he mostly did in this piece - my disagreements about the actual implied allegations notwithstanding) tends to drag the site down somewhat.
But I digress (quite verbosely) - back to the subject at hand, I'm still not convinced that Obama is being accused of anything by the good senator in question. I went in and read the original letter, and it feels like a big stretch to say that the senator was subtly implying that the President had ongoing knowledge of the spying in question. Considering that the report about said spying came out on Wednesday, and the senator's letter was sent on Tuesday, it doesn't sound all that crazy to me that the senator was referring to the CIA Inspector General’s Office pending actions on Wednesday. Again - I would not even be remotely surprised to find out that Obama DID know about it as it was ongoing, but it seems like the evidence here is pretty thin, indeed.
acerplatanoides — 2014-03-06T15:18:19-05:00 — #16
This is where you and I diverge. I assume that everything at BB is something like an opinion piece or something like an editorial, and generally news-ish. Those terms don't apply with any precision to a blog that started as a 'zine which promoted a very conscious subversion of the traditions that you seem bothered are not being upheld here. Just my POV, thanks for sharing yours.
wrecksdart — 2014-03-07T15:18:50-05:00 — #17
From Sen. Udall's letter:
As you are aware, the CIA has recently taken unprecedented action against the Committee in relation to the internal CIA review, and I find these actions to be incredibly troubling for the Committee's oversight responsibilities and for our democracy.
So far, I'm with you, as the text of Udall's letter is vague about exactly what POTUS knows or when he knew it. It could be that Obama knew of the alleged spying because the Director of the CIA told him personally, or because he was made aware that the CIA IG opened an investigation (which I would suspect would make it into Obama's morning brief):
McClatchy reported that the CIA inspector general has made a criminal referral to the Justice Department, a threshold procedure for opening a criminal investigation.
In fact, Udall's wording almost seems to be much ado about nothing, specifically because such an investigation, immediately at its outset, would and should
be something POTUS is informed about. From the McClatchy story
White House officials have closely tracked the bitter struggle, a McClatchy investigation has found.
In any case, it absolutely is disturbing that spying on an oversight committee would occur like this.
doctorow — 2014-03-10T15:52:06-04:00 — #18
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