doctorow at October 1st, 2013 15:16 — #1
chenille at October 1st, 2013 15:23 — #2
I'd also heard the idea that vampires were largely inspired by rabies - they bite people to spread their condition, are associated with bats and sometimes wolves, and can't stand sunlight or cross water.
joshua_caffery at October 1st, 2013 16:23 — #3
For more great speculation and argument about the biopathological origins of Vampirism, I highly suggest checking out Alan Dundes' The Vampire: A Casebook.
brainspore at October 1st, 2013 16:30 — #4
Check out fig. 6 and tell me this is a coincidence:
jorpho at October 1st, 2013 16:42 — #5
The links don't explain why exactly the disease would work away at tooth enamel in specific ways. It would be one thing if the gums simply receded excessively (as in porphyria, which seems to be cited much more often in relation to vampirism), or if it caused grinding, but what's the deal with this? Super-acidic saliva?
yeastbeast at October 1st, 2013 17:33 — #6
Syphilis was the meth of its day.
crenquis at October 1st, 2013 17:34 — #7
This is from inherited syphilis -- when the fetus gets it from the mother... The teeth grow that way.
Affections of the Mucous Membranes.—The inflammation of the nasal mucous membrane that causes snuffles has already been referred to. There may be mucous patches in the mouth, or a stomatitis which is of importance, because it results in interference with the development of the permanent teeth. The mucous membrane of the larynx may be the seat of mucous patches or of catarrh, and as a result the child's cry is hoarse.
ryuthrowsstuff at October 1st, 2013 18:07 — #8
A connection with vampire tales is also problematic because the whole vampire thing is pretty damned old in Europe. And it isn't well established whether syphilis existed in Europe before Columbus made his trips:
imb at October 1st, 2013 18:17 — #9
brainspore at October 1st, 2013 18:19 — #10
Elements of those tales go back a long way, but the "vampire" mythology as most of us think of it today (including the now-traditional fangs) was mostly a product of the 19th century.
ryuthrowsstuff at October 1st, 2013 18:41 — #11
Well much of the frame work for the 19th century (and modern) concept of the vampire is drawn directly from balkan/gypsy legends. Which if I recall correctly tended to be related to or indistinguishable from early "werewolf" type tales, and are usually considered to related to similar blood drinking or flesh eating animals/creatures, and canabalistic human dead traditions from elsewhere in Europe. All of these tend to involve depictions of animalistic or otherwise fucked up teeth if not the perfectly formed "fangs" we tend to see to day. I'm reasonably sure those are even more modern than the 19th century. The big Victorian vampire fiction seems vague on it, and just look at Nosferatu. So I'd ague that one of those elements that goes back a long way, longer than its clear syphilis has been a problem in Europe (especially Eastern), is animal like or jagged teeth.
some_guy at October 1st, 2013 22:46 — #12
Well, I for one can't make any judgement until I see their genitals.
OH GOD NO! WHY DID YOU SHOW ME THEIR GENITALS?!! (sound of vomiting)
chentzilla at October 2nd, 2013 07:26 — #13
What's that, Necrobob Nomiconpants?
rita_lynn at October 2nd, 2013 10:52 — #14
Well, Darla (of Buffy and Angel fame) DID have syphilis....
brainspore at October 2nd, 2013 12:48 — #15
It's from an episode where Spongebob visits his friend Sandy the Squirrel in her underwater dome. Supposedly his appearance was due to dehydration, but now I'm thinking he caught something during his visit. (She wouldn't be the first mammal to have a sponge up in her nether-parts.)
doctorow at October 6th, 2013 15:16 — #16
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