pesco at February 24th, 2014 12:48 — #1
coderay at February 24th, 2014 13:07 — #2
“Protecting life against all possible dangers and keeping it safe is an issue agreed upon by all religions.
HAHA! That's hilarious. Someone should tell the religions.
I'm surprised they don't object to travel to Mars because it's named after a pagan god.
kenmce at February 24th, 2014 13:11 — #3
You know, I wasn't all that concerned about Muslims going to Mars.
edgore at February 24th, 2014 13:12 — #4
So...Muslims aren't allowed to participate in any extreme sports, I assume. Also, I would say that war is a much worse reason to die (plus, theoretically, you kill other people if you are doing it right) than going to Mars, but I am not aware of any blanket fatwahs against it (and other religions don't seem to have much problem with it either, in principle)
gwailo_joe at February 24th, 2014 13:13 — #5
What? No 'Allah (the Exceedingly Merciful) In Spaaaace!'?
I guess it makes sense; if self destruction is prohibited in your rules and by laws...the manned Mars trip is out. As it is unquestionably a drawn out, colossally expensive (but oh so glorious) suicide mission.
xzzy at February 24th, 2014 13:14 — #6
What was Islam's perspective on exploring the new world? Travel by sea wasn't safe by a long shot and anyone who attempted it went in fully aware they might not make it back home. There was a huge risk of dying to sinking, malnutrition, or disease.
Granted the distinction is a bit different this time as the Mars thing is explicitly being sold as a one way trip, but dying is not the mission. Any dying that happens on a Mars mission is going to be unintentional.
jerwin at February 24th, 2014 13:18 — #7
Paging @cstross, Paging @cstross
would this change the narrative arc of accelerando in any meaningful way?
irmo at February 24th, 2014 13:19 — #8
Correct. Of all the recent extreme sports feats out there, I suspect Felix Baumgartner's sky dive is the only thing that could have gotten approval from Muslim clerics. If he were Muslim, he could justify it by pointing out that he was helping develop better escape mechanisms for the residents of the International Space Station. The rest of the Extreme Sports community, however, would not.
A bit moot. Muslims at the time did not live near much timber resources.
brainflakes at February 24th, 2014 13:22 — #9
Twist: there is no risk because participants will never leave the film studio where the fake space capsule is set up.
irmo at February 24th, 2014 13:25 — #10
Note that the reason this fatwa was issued is that some Muslim was interested enough in the Mars mission to ask abou it.
And if the state of the art advanced to allow for non-suicidal Mars missions, this fatwa would be revisited.
themetalpedant at February 24th, 2014 13:29 — #11
Are they aware that our journey to this Earth not only risks life, but in fact guarantees death?
jandrese at February 24th, 2014 13:37 — #12
How in the world do Muslims go to war? For that matter, suicide bombers must be hit with some heavy cognitive dissonance over their intentions.
Or is it like any other religion and people just ignore the parts that are too inconvenient?
dreamboatskanky at February 24th, 2014 13:39 — #13
davide405 at February 24th, 2014 13:41 — #14
I think most religions define (and redefine) "righteous" for the convenience of the human beings at the pinnacle of the particular religious power structure.
phasmafelis at February 24th, 2014 13:44 — #15
I see we're all pretending that "Muslims" should be a monolithic hive mind who share all the same opinions on everything.
jamest at February 24th, 2014 13:50 — #16
Oh I know, it's totally bonkers to assume that a group of people bound by shared beliefs could think similarly.
the_borderer at February 24th, 2014 13:54 — #17
To be fair, there are some sects who are dedicated to the idea of sanctitiy of life, like the Quakers, Mennonites and Ahmadiyya muslims.
allenmcbride at February 24th, 2014 13:54 — #18
Maybe not bonkers to assume that everyone who shares a religion could think similarly, if you're just sitting at home. But if you meet a lot of religious people and still think they might all think similarly... yeah, a little bonkers.
nonentity at February 24th, 2014 14:10 — #19
Tell that to all the different factions of Christianity, even about something as basic as "does [insert rule from the OT here] apply to daily life today?" and see how far you get.
phasmafelis at February 24th, 2014 14:14 — #20
If you're assuming that 1.6 billion people all consider themselves bound by 100% identical rules and proclamations--if you're going "LOL, RESPECT FOR LIFE, WHAT ABOUT SUICIDE BOMBERS"--then yeah, that is pretty fucking stupid. Christianity includes both openly gay Episcopal priests and Fred Phelps. Hell, atheism includes both hardcore pacifists and Stalin.
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