1 in 3 Americans OK with Military Rule

I think that goes back to the fallacy that a strongman will be your strongman. Their fears of big government dissolve when it is using its might to do what they want.

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I bet these are the same ones with the revisionist history fantasy that we were all under martial law back then. :roll_eyes: As your examples show, they have no clue what that really means.

Based on how often they broke the rules to hang out in bars with friends and strangers, I’m gonna guess they’ll do it with alcohol and drugs. :crystal_ball:

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While I don’t love the results of these polls, the actual questions asked were not exactly, “are you okay with living under an authoritarian dictator.” Even the one question that was used to extrapolate support for living under a dictator or military regime seems to have asked something much more nuanced. I find it disturbing that 1/3 answered positively to even that more nuanced question, but I’ll bet the number goes down a lot if you flat out ask people if they’re okay with a military dictatorship.

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WTF Boing Boing?? You know this poll is absolute BS. Why normalize shit like this. The unending glorification of the right wing weirdos on this site needs to stop. Please stop with the incessant MTG/Boebert coverage and actually cover people doing good work again these idiot fascists. Jesus. I used to come here for smart and interesting coverage, but not we get CNN like normalizing of a fascist takeover.

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Some how the GOP has a strangle hold on the “LIVE FREE OR DIE SMALL GUBBAMINT” voters and the “SIGN ME UP FOR A DICTATORSHIP DADDY” voters. It’s like they went all in on cognitive dissonance as a personality.

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Is King Charles a hologram?

King Charles GIF by GIPHY News

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My point is that the UK has transformed from a straight up monarchy to a constitutional monarchy where executive power is delegated by legislation and social conventions to a unitary parliamentary democracy. The US seems to be going the opposite route…

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It’s still the same monarchy, though… generally speaking. And besides that, the shift began way before the American revolution… you know, when they chopped off the head of a different Charles and had a different kind of dictatorial rule for awhile, and then got sick of that, and invited a different king to take the throne… then eventually got sick of his… son (another charles?) and then invited a… Mary? Ann? and her Dutch husband to take the throne… It’s true that the power struggle between the crown and parliament has been shifting since, but I’d argue the die was probably cast once that earlier charles lost his head…

Still, though… a pretty clear line of succession, I’d argue. The changing nature of the monarchy doesn’t mean it’s not the same…

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Sure, we can have a semantic discussion. I am dutch which is also a constitutional monarchy but I still have more confidence in our democracy then I have in the united states right now. I hope you will pull through but even if Trump looses you have a big problem with your electorate. Hitler was also voted into power… Our local fascists got the majority vote in our last elections. I am scared, don’t bite my head off about the factuality of my remark.

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… just gave a speech yesterday.

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bing “median voter theorum”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01056-0

My first thought was “1 out of 3 think military rule would be the kind that oppressed people other than themselves”

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Their relationship with God mirrors that of people in an abusive relationship pretty well. He lashes out randomly and occasionally shows his love, but they think that they have figured out the things that trigger him.

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I’m a historian, so, you know… historical facts matter. :woman_shrugging:

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What this overlooks is that 1% of the morbidly rich Americans LOVE a dictator because they will take part in perpetuating keeping the “rabble” down and continuing their needed feeling of superiority which raking in tax cuts and further undermining Democracy.

And this 1% amplifies their “wealth voice” to dup this 1/3 of Americans that what they say is righteous and American. For example, for no good reason, many conservatives say that they “worry about the economy“ and Biden needs to go. When in reality unemployment is at record lows, the stock market is at an all time high, and inflation continues to ease. Why? Because the Oligarchic Media (Fox, OAN, NewsMax) lies to them.

And also, as this post points out, there are just a number of lazy people that think if they’re White, Straight and Christian no harm can come to them, How wrong they are. Some people will literally need to be eating dirt before they realize-or admit-they are wrong.

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Ok, I would not know if the windsor family was in power at the time of the american revolution. They probably still have quite a bit of behind the scenes power and influence. It does not change my point that a fascist dictatorship might be worst then a constitutional monarchy.

I never said it was the WINDSORS… merely that it is a connection to the longer line of succession…

Your post after 3 years was literally that “that monarchy doesn’t exist anymore”… I’m arguing it’s a continuing line of succession that predated the US revolution. Of course the institution changed, because institutions do that… but that doesn’t mean it’s “different”…

Mike Yard K GIF by The Nightly Show

[ETA] Just to reiterate my point, the US has had a long history of opening up voting rights to new groups over the course of our history… but we’re still in the the same general system, despite the fact that the franchise itself was once only open to white, male landowners, and is now open to most of us. Same with the UK system, changes here and there were made, but it’s been a constitutional monarchy for while now, dating back to prior to the American revolution.

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You are clearly more knowledgeable about this topic then I am. Thank you for pointing out a couple of things I was not aware of. I think I have had my dose of internet argument for a while. Like you noted, I don’t comment often, not sure why nixxie’s remark triggered me to do so. He probably meant it as a joke to begin with…

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No, but he’s a figurehead. He wields no genuine power. The King’s Speech is written by the government of the day. If the Conservatives had won, Charles would have been spouting the opposite of what he read out from the Labour programme.

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Even if the monarchy was entirely ceremonial (it’s not) the Head of State would still weild all kinds of power through public influence alone.

Who do you think had a greater influence on the history of the United Kingdom overall: Queen Elizabeth II or Prime Minister Liz Truss (whose recent tenure lasted all of seven weeks)?

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