Sorry but I vote for candidates, not against others.
If the Dems want to field a Neoliberal shill, then fuck them. I’m not voting for any more dynastic corporate candidates who will maintain the status quo.
You can accuse me of voting for Trump all you want. I’m not going to care. I suspect all the other independents that will vote third party or just stay home won’t care either. If that means a Trump victory, I lay it at the feet of the Democratic establishment for feeding us a shit sandwich and expecting us to eat every election cycle.
See also my hope Bernie and Trump both form offshoot/splinter parties that get a stupid amount of votes. I want both parties to see their attempts at business as usual is widely hated.
you do realize that Citizens United was a court case that was LITERALLY over whether or not a corporation could self-fund a feature film-length attack ad against
HER. Hillary Clinton. SHE was the target. If Citizens United had a
longer name, it would be “Citizens United against Hillary Clinton…
INC.”
The original Citizens United decision revolved around funding an anti-Clinton attack film, yes. Since then, Clinton has made enthusiastic use of the corruption enabled by the decision, as well as the already-indefensible corruption that preceded the Citizens United case.
CU is just the latest and most extreme expression of the corporate buyout of American politics. Clinton is complicit in that both before and after.
that status quo includes the right to an abortion and contraception, the affordable care act, a national labor relations board that favors the rights of workers, an epa that is trying to regulate carbon emissions, a civil rights office in the justice department that seeks enforcement of the remaining statutes, an opportunity to pull the supreme court to a center-left majority for the first time in 30-40 years, not to mention a government that is staffed by people who want to make the government work.
and as i asked earlier does your apathy extend to the suffering of all those who absolutely will suffer if the presidency goes to a republican, especially if that is combined with continued republican control of the congress?
i lay it at the feet of everyone who refuses to get involved and stay involved for the long haul. if you want better choices from the democratic party get involved, get people who think like you do involved, and stay involved.
Many of the heavy posters in this thread are avoiding the issue of the article – campaign finance. (Instead they are presenting the litany of Clinton superPAC catechism distractions – what’s next? Criticism of Bernie’s vote against human cloning?)
So here’s the question: do we like the way Hillary Clinton is financing her campaign, with lots of huge donations from very wealthy individuals and bundlers from corporate lobbies, $250,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs?
Or do we prefer the ballsy citizen-funding from the pesky insurgent Sanders? I prefer the Sanders model because it LOOKS less corrupt and is certainly closer to publicly funded campaigns which I think we need desperately if we plan on rescuing our democracy from the clutches of Oligarchy.
Now to address the specific charge in this story – does it bother you that a handful of extremely rich individuals are essentially buying superdelegates who can control the nomination?
If not, I question your morality and dedication to representative democracy. Look in the mirror – that’s a Tory (an American colonist who supported the British side during the American Revolution; a member or supporter of a Conservative Party).
Then she will have to make a choice between them and the left independents who have already compromised by supporting Bernie. If she decided to continue going after the right wing votes then fine, she loses our support. Just don’t come after us saying it’s our fault that she lost the election. Democrats have won before without our support, Hillary will have to do that too.
I’m borderline anarcho-communist. My political beliefs can’t get much further away from Hillary’s. Really. I am already compromising quite a bit with Bernie. How much more am I supposed to ignore what I believe to support someone who is opposed to what I think is best?
Sorry, but Hillary is currently past the point where I think I have given up far too much that is critically important to me. I’m close enough to breaking and giving up on elections for government as it is.
welcome to boingboing. i hope you take an opportunity to look around at some of the other articles and find things to like and like well enough to stay around long after this thread is closed.
most of the time the superdelegates vote at the convention for the candidate with the most delegates from the various primaries and caucuses. even superdelegate bill clinton cast his vote for obama in 08. i don’t see any reason why this year would be much different.
what would bother me the most would be for the democratic candidate to refuse to make use of current campaign finance laws and go down to defeat in november. it is impossible to do anything to change campaign finance laws and make changes in the supreme court who interpret campaign finance laws if you aren’t in office.
He’s like nearly 90 and has (in remission) brain cancer. So – It depends on who is Veep is? Can we get Killer Mike? Can Carter run with Killer Mike? ATL dream team?
So in the primary you vote for Bernie to move the party closer to your beliefs, then in the general election if Hillary is closer than Trump/Cruz you should vote for her.
Imagine the parties are looking at the anarcho-communist demographic. If you just sit out the general then the parties will ignore you, but if you vote for the Democrat then you increase their majority and the Republican has to shift left to compensate by grabbing some of the centre.
Voting for candidate you agree with the most, even if you hate them, still helps your cause.
Now if you think the candidate is so terrible you could vote 3rd party. This is somewhat akin to holding your party hostage saying “I’ll hand over the election if you don’t accommodate my policies”. It’s fairly effective though extremely risky since you might actually hand over the election and have the opposite effect.
And when you disagree with all of them? when you can’t find common ground? what then?
Fuck it, I can’t do this anymore. The choice of neo-liberalism or neo-consevatism and nothing else unless you are a traitor to a cause you don’t even believe in, it is draining me to the point of severe mental illness. I’ve had enough.
You’re not the only one, trust me. Lots of us are sick of it… I think the fact that Corbyn and Sanders are in the public eye the way they are shows that to be true.
Maybe take a break from reading the news. That can sometimes help.
