9 dead in gun massacre at church

Yeah, what we need is a powerful counternarrative to defend, which is totally not among the tools of our oppressors, right? :smile:

Just sayin folks. Don’t be 180 degrees from FOX. Don’t emulate the stopped clock.

Am I destroying anyone?

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I don’t think we are.

Fine. All the white supremacists this (and this is my supposition here, which excuses him from nothing) 21 year old soldier of fortune reading wannabe could aspire to emulate. The ones in the gangs. The gangs that wouldn’t take him. More or less that.

Doesn’t disagree with ANYTHING you have said is factual, and I don’t stick to it. I will defend it with 5 dollars of milkshake, friend.

Your rush to judge seems about as quick, productive, and self serving as fox news. Though less profitable. Just my opinion. I still like you lots though. Not personal, and I don’t think any less of you for it.

I’m sure you have a point other than needling. So, let’s have it.

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION ON THIS?

Also, if you’re going to object to being called a trolley, maybe you should spell out pretty explicitly in what way your putative allies are disappointing you by modeling FOX News instead of just snidely implying it’s happening? What is this false counternarrative you’re objecting to so strongly?

If I’m fucking up I want to know, but it’s really hard to tell if your criticism is sound when you express it in smug circumlocutions.

Okay, people in this thread are upset about systemic multi-generational denial of white supremacy and white supremacist power structures. Attempts to discuss this thing are met with more of the aforementioned denials, which as you might imagine upsets people who care about this sort of thing.

Is that clear or are you going to referee my rhetoric more?

as clearly stated, I am making it up from whole cloth on supposition alone, as my opinion.

I went that far so that if I am correct about MY imaginings BEYOND THE FACTS WE ALL AGREE ON then I might enjoy bragging rights. Or a milkshakje.

Why does this upset you? It’s a friendly bet over a controversial topic. I don’t see this dude as a major roller. Just another asshole with a gun who wanted to change the world. I won’t elevate him, and I will say that he looks like a tool bag of the sort that deeply hateful people, of the sort many people here correctly claim exist, would eat for lunch.

So, to be clear. MAKING IT UP AS SUPPOSITION. It’s my right. Thanks for asking.

smug cirumlocutions

fair point!

I ask you to check to whom I was responding, and how we went down the waterfall together.