Or perhaps listen to what I am saying, not what you think I am saying.
Iâm curious as to the measures black supremacists are taking to oppress others.
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I never once said they where. Strawman much?
Your need to know, precisely, now, today⌠That means something. But not to me. Or about me.
Ok?
Here is some stuff from Wikipedia:
At its inception in October 1966, the Black Panther Partyâs core
practice was its armed citizensâ patrols to monitor the behavior of
police officers and challenge police brutality in Oakland, CA. In 1969,
community social programs became a core activity of party members.[4] The Black Panther Party instituted a variety of community social programs, most extensively the Free Breakfast for Children Programs, and community health clinics.[5][6][7]
Federal Bureau of Investigation Director J. Edgar Hoover called the party âthe greatest threat to the internal security of the countryâ,[8] and he supervised an extensive program (COINTELPRO) of surveillance, infiltration, perjury, police harassment,
and many other tactics designed to undermine Panther leadership,
incriminate party members, discredit and criminalize the Party, and
drain the organization of resources and manpower. The program was also
accused of using assassination against Black Panther members.[9][10][11][12]
Would it be inaccurate to portray J. Edgar Hoover as a white supremacist?
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Once again, I did not call you a white supremacist or anything of the like (if others did, then take that up with them, not me). Iâm saying white supremacy is a problem in our society, and that there are people who work very hard when events like this happen to wave away the issue of white supremacy by saying they are âlone wolvesâ and âmentally illâ.
Once again, if the shooter wasnât âreally racistâ and he wasnât motivated by the narrative of white supremacy, then what was this shooting about? Why did he walk into an historically black church, with a long history of civil rights activism, going back to the antebellum, sit there for an hour with the parishioners during bible study, then shoot them because they are black (his own words, according to witnesses)?
[ETA] Iâm challenging you on this, not because I think youâre a white supremacist, or because you support what this guy did, or that you are trying to excuse it in anyway. From what Iâve read in your comments, you seem to be waving away his intent, which was clearly racist. I donâtâ know how much more clearly racist he could have been. Nor do I think that @anon15383236 thinks so either. We want to know why you donât seem to think white supremacy is a factor in this shooting.
The fact that a white guy killed nine people clearly and precisely because theyâre black doesnât mean anything to you? Why not?
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Oh, chill out, buddy. Youâre the one insisting on calling him a âwanna beâ white supremacist on the basis of no evidence whatsoever (I assume, otherwise you might have supplied some). I challenged your insistence that heâs merely a âwanna beâ on an entirely reasonable basis:
-youâre using the term âwhite supremacistâ to denote someone who is actually part of some white supremacist power structure
-pretty much everyone else is using the term to denote someone who adheres to a particular ideology (white supremacy)
Note that the barriers to entry to the latter are much lower than for the former (which arenât particularly high, either).
Iâm calling you a troll because youâre making such a big deal about what should obviously be a minor semantic nitpick. It comes across as trolling. Seriously. Nevertheless, I addressed the point in good faith.
I was with you for a while â people werenât being fair to you and kind of piling on. But I think you really lost the thread with this âwanna beâ bullshit and wanted to check you on it. You can throw a hissy fit about it if you want, but Iâm not persecuting you for being a white male or anything, Iâm just pointing out that youâre getting into a shit-fit about a complete non-issue.
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I see a large paradox in a conversation that includes folks who pick on the rush to false narratives, while rushing to create their own. Maybe itâs still just time to mourn. They got him. Plenty of room for opinions, no need for ad hominems.
This attack means something, absolutely does. Just wish people could drop their own narratives at the bandwagon and let the victims lead their own way out of the valley. Bet they can. Bet they do.
There exists a certain segment of online posters who are simply reactionary. When you state the fact that the sky is blue, half will demand to know what you have against the color blue while the other half will bash you for being pro blue.
This conversation seems dominated by those people.
I donât think it was random. It was planned. Right now it seems to be a lot of speculation on whether this was one person planning to do bad thing (similar to the shooter in Aurora and Newton), or if he is part of a larger group who also plan to do more bad things.
Right now all of it is speculation, but if I were a betting man I would bet he acted alone. Though if he didnât act alone, I would expect that to come up in the investigation and accomplices also punished. I guess since he is alive we stand a fair chance of finding out the truth on that.
One of the big reasons that I think he is a lone nut is because despite all their talk, bravado, and hate, the large organizations donât often act on it. One of the reasons is many of the larger orgs are all involved in illicit activities (extortion, drugs, theft, illegal guns, etc). Calling unneeded attention to themselves would lead to a crack down on their other activities.
ETA - and to be clear, alone or with others, racist hate was clearly his motivation.
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Again. He walked into a church, sat in bible study for an hour, and from his own mouth said he was shooting them because they were black. No one made that narrative up. He made it about white supremacy. Not me, not @marilove, not @anon15383236, not @wysinwyg, not anyone here. From his own mouth, he said he was shooting people because of the color of their skin. Thatâs not a made up narrative. itâs the facts in the case.
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Whether he had an organization behind him is irrelevant I think. White power organizations are purposefully lose networks of people, in order to facilitate the survival of the organizations themselves when someone does this.
They donât need to, because these guys do it for them.
Again, the guy walked into a historically black church, sat down for bible study for an hour (no doubt welcomed with open arms) and then shot 9 people because they were black.
I liked it because you said racist hate was his motivation. Thank you.
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Are you SURE ABOUT THAT? 
ETA: I mean, if FOX NEWS said itâs not about race, then it canât be about race, amirite?
The real strawman is viewing human rights as a political issue.
This is mostly reasonable, but I think it somewhat elides the possibility that such organizations actively recruit and encourage outsiders (or wanna bes as @AcerPlatanoides would have it) with the intent of achieving their ideological goals while maintaining plausible deniability.
And I think thatâs the objection a lot of people here have to the âlone wolfâ narrative. Not because itâs strictly false, but because it elides a really important point about how terrorists actually operate in the 21st century. Operationally important terrorists donât commit suicide bombings or mass shootings â they send âwanna besâ, angry young men with no social ties and little hope for the future.
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So very mad.
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At no point have I disagreed with the facts of the shooting as you have stated.
Surely he did. All the real ones are in prison. I hear he politely gave up. Hmmmm. Your narrative seems airtight. I guess we agree to disagree.
I will take a 5 Guys gift card if it comes to it.Their milkshakes are awesome. 
And seriously, Mindysan, I donât understand what strawman you have erected in front of me. Please donât light it on fire.
This can be about white supremacy, and my opinion of his being about as good at WHIte Power as the younger brother in the Boston Bombings was at Criminal Masterminding for Jihad also TOTALLY be true. Right along side every fact youâve said. I can mock them, without you making it about you, I would hope?
David Dukeâs in prison? Pat Buchanan is in prison?
Yet they both violently killed lots of people despite being âfailuresâ.
I donât intend to light it on fire. I donât think pointing out white supremacy is at work is a strawman.
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That would be another strawman of your making @peemlives since I never stated humans rights are a political issue. But I bet you are ready to destroy anyone with that point of view huh?
