A thread of our own- misogyny (Part 1)

Comes with a side order of racism.

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Found same story without the paywall.

I was a swimmer back in the day and had this happen to myself and teammates many times, male and female. Never had an official comment at all. You pull the suit out of your ass and move on. I suspect the curvier and darker aspect is far more of a factor then exposed buttocks.

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This is all over the NFL today.

And these are the documents that are public. (Trigger warnings and nsfw)

How is there any question? Because she waited to leave until she was raped. And because he is really good at catching footballs. Damn. I hate this so much.

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Excerpt from the deliberative process of the judge in question:

Oh, he’s a high achiever? Then the sexual assault was probably part of an independent study; we should reward Mr. Milaski for his initiative, not ruin his future because he traumatized someone whose name I haven’t bothered to learn. Let him go immediately!

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On this one, I’d assume they have rules around male suits too. Have any of them ever been disqualified for the same?

Like you I suspect this was linked to something other than “feminine virtue”.

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Yes. I wasn’t on the Internet until I was in college, because it really wasn’t a thing until then.

Oh.

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Same.

I only started using the internet regularly back in 1995, when I got access to the lab on my college campus; I didn’t even have my own computer until years later.

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Yep.

My “internet childhood” as it were was actually when I was in college, and it involved me using Netscape Navigator to access Altavista on a 486 in a dingy little cinder block room in a basement surrounded by others just like me.

Whenever someone says, “oh, the internet’s always been like this” I have to remind them that “always” hasn’t been that long in the grand scheme of things, and it’s not too late to change some of the more problematic aspects of how we communicate online.

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I fully expect to witness Grid-Fall before it’s all said and done, and I genuinely pity the generations so utterly dependent on tech that they cannot begin to imagine life without it; they are going be bereft…

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I am not that source, but I did spend time in fandom spaces. That includes LJ. I was there during the meltdown. They were different than 4chan, and dominated by women.

Yes, there was toxic behavior, but that’s because we’re all steeped in it, daily. Some of us absorb it as normal, more than others. So, some people replicated it.

But it was also a space of people who were constantly told they didn’t exist. Girls and women who were into geeky pursuits who were locked out of the traditional male fan spaces. It was very different than what we see from 4chan. I wouldn’t be who I am today without those spaces. I wouldn’t have learned how much internalized misogyny I was carrying around. My life didn’t model to me that a girl with my interests was allowed to have those opinions – I was supposed to defer to the boys and graciously accept what crumbs they allowed me. Those spaces showed me something else. That there were other women and girls like me.

That explosion of authors that are eating up the SFF awards, lately? Many, probably more than you think came up through those fandom spaces. They didn’t sit down with some professor who was going to graciously impart his wisdom on how to write the Great American Novel; they collaborated and honed their skills writing (and editing) for each other, learning how to do commission pieces, and yes, writing to deadlines.

4chan was always/still is toxic bros trying to outcompete each other, abusively. A good portion of fandom space is women who were forced out of the mainstream helping each other to reshape what the mainstream is. I didn’t learn about mutual aid in school or from my parents – I was taught the old “grow a thicker skin and just be better than the boys” and “asking for help is weak”. Fandom spaces are where I learned about sticking together and helping each other out as a strength. As much fun as it is to mock them from the outside, there’s a lot more underneath.

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He’s not giving up this crusade is he? Christ, what a total arsehole.

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Someone should really fund a study to determine what commonalities and motivations fuel transphobes.

Is he covering his own denial? Was his mother frightened by a trans woman while she was pregnant with him? Or was (as was one famous transphobe back in the day) he turned down by a trans woman he was attracted to?

Or maybe he’s just a dick. Can sociologists measure that?

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I’d be curious to know but he’s by no means the only one, maybe the most rampant person with a high profile though. I know robert webb has spouted some terf bullshit as well which is a damn shame because i thought he was a decent guy.

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Back in the day - and a woman. Who wrote a about trans women that was a bit of a little evil empire.

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I’m still trying to parse this sentence but i think i get your meaning.

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