Amazon testing 'Orville' biometric tech that scans your hands to pay at Whole Foods, stores will use it starting early 2020

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Your hands are your ID. New payment system for Whole Foods being tested by Amazon now.

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There will never be a five finger discount at Whole Foods.


Why? I can already pay with biometric authentication at Whole Foods using Apple Pay, but that way the biometric data is stored inside my phone and not accessible to Amazon. And I can complete the process while my items are still being scanned, so who cares if it takes a few seconds? It’s still not slowing down the checkout process.

Don’t tell me I’m going to have to start wearing gloves to the grocery store. (And I guess I should probably already be wearing a balaclava or something?)


What’s wrong with a credit card? Seems small enough to fit into my pocket. And if we’d ever get off our duff and switch to chip+PIN it’d be reasonably secure.

I must be an older generation. I’m way more likely to forget to bring my phone than forget to bring my wallet.

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Amazon testing ‘Orwell’ biometric tech that scans your hands.



That’s been my experience too. Unfortunately, if one is a Prime Member, one really does have to remember to bring ones phone.

Amazon is rapidly becoming the Incarnation of Big Brother itself with this and all the bullshit surrounding police and it’s ring system

Kind of makes you wonder if anyone in Congress cares about stopping the Privacy nightmare this is going to unleash

Oh yeah nevermind, I forgot Congress is inept, cruel, likes fucking us over because it hates the American people and doesn’t care about any of us


This guy won’t make the grade…



What was that Vonnegut novel where the woman who inherited a large corporation and signed documents with her thumb prints?

They pickled her thumbs.


If this stuff keeps up I might just switch to paying for everything with a painstakingly calligraphed paper check.

“Stop rushing me! See, you made me misspell the amount. Now I’ll have to start all over.”

I actually wouldn’t, but I’d certainly think about it.


Seems like the solution to this is just to pay in cash.



Does it really matter if it’s scanning your hands vs scanning your ever-present cyber-hivemind device? We’re in deep with the monitored-at-every-moment cyber-dystopia at this point, no need to pretend that a hand-scanner is any worse than what we’ve got. They can sequence your dna from a hair you leave behind, you are tracked constantly, every day, online and irl.

What-ever! Wake me up when the CME hits and it all goes kaput. :wink:



The next time I feel compelled to spend $265.00 on a week’s groceries, I will remember this and take my custom elsewhere.


Stealing that gif, as it will come in handy for future use.



It matters quite a lot. Biometrics can’t be changed (I can’t get a new hand when Amazon’s servers get hacked and my hand measurements are put up for sale on “the dark web”). Card numbers and passwords can.

With my device, I can choose whether to use biometrics or just a passcode, and if I use biometrics, they’re stored only on a chip in my device, not on Amazon’s servers. Amazon just gets my account number, which can be changed, and some one-off transaction details.



Using one’s biometrics as a security measure is highly unwise, for a whole plethora of reasons.


my solution has been to stop using whole foods entirely. i went to one of my favorite whole foods about two months after amazon took them over and the quality of the experience had declined so precipitously i was tempted to step outside the building just to make sure i was in the right store. it makes me very sad to witness what has happened to it because the very first whole foods opened up just a couple of miles from my aunt’s house and the store consisted mostly of bulk barrels and bins. they had some fantastic things. some of the first basmati rice i had seen anywhere, along with many other products that were inexpensive and relatively rare in the grocery business in texas in the period 1980-85.

my situation with respect to grocers is one of the few instances where being in texas is to my advantage because i can opt for an h.e.b. central market.


Completely agree. People need to run away from that company pronto. Everything about what it thinks, believes, and acts upon is shit.

And I live in Seattle.


Leaving aside that biometrics can’t be changed (for when that hand data inevitably gets released out into the wild), I wonder about accuracy. How distinct are human hands, really? Cameras capturing images of hands at some distance and unknown positions? The accuracy might be good, but it can’t be that good.

A false positive, where it misidentifies someone hand, and that’s all it need to start charging someone else’s credit card? That’s really not going to be good.

And in real life:

Crap, that was 14 years ago… (and all that’s happened since is they’ve realized they need to make some checks that the finger is still attached. And moved on to eyeballs and hands as identifiers…)