No doubt, but I’m sure the women you’re referring to don’t need someone like Angela Lansbury to tell them that their profession puts them at even higher risk of sexual assault.
It’s not like our cities are filled with naive young women whose idea of a good time is to put on a low-cut top and a pair of stilettos and go for a 3am stroll through Crime Alley without any thought of personal risk.
Worth repeating. Ex post facto, not ex ante
ex ante: (to self) this girl is dressed like a slut, therefore I’m going to rape her. (This doesn’t happen.)
ex post facto: (to police) that girl was dressed like a slut, therefore I raped her. (This happens. A lot.)
Well… yeah, so?
No but… women worked in manufacturing during WW2 as well… they were as much as sent home after the war is my understanding.
Did anyone ever say that she was a particularly smart lady?
Indeed! Just using your comment to launch into my own activist hobby-horse.
I’m with you - we should take them all out but until it is all done I think some prudence is required. No one wants to be a statistic when it comes to their own personal lives. I’m happy we are hitting all these relics of yesterday’s hegemony and creating a (hopefully) better world.
I hear you - I am sure we all need more education on this. I still think you wouldn’t walk down crime alley alone (I wouldn’t) but statistically maybe other things are more threatening. I guess I can sum up my feeling with “always be on guard and don’t trust anyone”.
This is why I try not to ever learn anything about the personal life or political opinions of an actor I like. If I don’t know they are a complete tool, then I don’t have to have that fact spoiling my enjoyment of their work as an actor.
I haven’t trusted her ever since she conspired to have her brainwashed son used as part of an assassination plot to put her inept scaremongering husband in control of the White House.
but until it is all done I think some prudence is required
But what does that mean? Should my 20 year old daughter not wear a top that exposes her midriff and pierced belly button in the presence of redneck district attorneys or film producers lest these men be unable to control their primal urges? There are lot of straw girls being tossed about in these arguments.
“… death is very likely the single best invention of life. It is life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away.”
– Steve Jobs
I’m sorry, but no.
I can’t imagine being in a position of feeling comfortable enough advise women on how to not be raped while knowing that your own life won’t be constricted in the same way.
The only thing that telling women to “excercise prudence” does is set them up for blame if they are raped.
It’s not the clothes. It’s not the alcohol. It’s not the location.
It’s the rapists.
If your daughter knows that the film producer has a decades long reputation for forcing himself on attractive young women when in private settings, what course of action would you recommend to her??
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For starters, she should expect that people actually tell her about his reputation instead of participating in elaborate set ups designed to trap her in private settings with him in order to facilitate his assaults.
honestly I don’t know what it means. do you? I’m as confused as anyone. If I see something bad I try to stop it, and I try to do nothing bad. Also, I’m not trying to use glib legalese to skate around the issue and try to argue for so-called “traditional” values. Perhaps it means I wouldn’t want my daughter going to a frat party by herself. But what can I do at the end of the day?
As per your 20 year old’s wearing of bare midriff and pierced belly button? To me it sounds like crass attire in any but the most casual of situations - are you saying that makes me a male chauvinist? I think young boys also dress poorly if it is worth anything. Also, I wouldn’t hire her if she came for an interview dressed that way. Am I saying she shouldn’t wear that for fear of being assaulted or harassed? ABSOLUTELY NOT. SHE SHOULD NEVER BE BOTHERED in any way for what she wears. period. why would you make any assumption that I am saying that??? I think some of those straw men belong to your argument in fact, in making assumptions about contrary points of view (although I would argue my point of view isn’t contrary). My call for prudence is situational and personal - how can it not be - you raise your kid with the values you think will best serve him or her, and then as an adult you hope they make careful decisions to be be safe - and however that safety is arrived at personally, that is the best one can do - who is anyone to tell anyone else how best to protect themselves?
She should expect that this not even be a scenario, as said film producer would not have gotten away with his crimes for decades.
of course it is the rapists. how can that be any less clear? Is it really that hard to have more than 1 thought on a subject. ?But fair enough - I defer to everyone else with more knowledge than me…but I’m curious - you’ve identified the problem (the rapists) but what is the solution? And is there any advice to young women that you can give (who don’t want to become a statistic while society is changing around them)? Is it “there is nothing you can do. so just pray you are lucky and society changes quickly”? If you say that is the reality, and it sounds like it is, then I guess that makes sense.
