I wouldn’t either. What the hell does that have to do with anything?
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One hundred percent correct. Now, why didn’t they?
It felt like you were saying no rules for decorum are allowed. I replied that I think there are rules to how we should dress that men and women should adhere to, but I also said, as a completely separate thought, that how someone dresses is not an excuse to harass them, as a separate thought. Just to be clear as the arguments are getting muddied. I tell (or try to tell…guide if you will) my daughter how not to dress because how we dress matters. But yes, just so we are VERY CLEAR, I am NOT at the same time trying to blame the victim. Just want to make sure that is clear. Anyway - I defer to you - whatever you say next to point out how much of an unaware, ignoramus I am - let’s go w/ that.
BECAUSE THE EMAILS! Duh
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Yes you are when you argue for “prudence”. You are arguing that some culpability for sexual assault lies with a woman who has not been “prudent” however that is defined by you.
I am just disappointed by these arguments.
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The solution is to have sexual assaults treated like any other assault.
The next problem is to change the judicial system to achieve this.
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Your understanding is incorrect. Many women had to give up specific jobs they held during the war (especially traditionally-male jobs), but mainly they moved to other jobs. In the US women were just under 30% of the workforce in 1940, up to 37% during the war, back to just over 30% by 1950, and have been increasing steadily since then, though with far less growth over the last 2 generations/40 years than the 40 years before that. (Data from the BLS; post-1950 data here.)
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That’s a pretty impossible way for women to live.
We’re more likely to be raped by someone we know - often someone we trust and love. But how can someone live life like that? Basically what you’re saying to women is never love or trust anyone. Ever. Not your husband, not your father, not your brother, not your best friend. It’s a tightrope many of us walk on every single day. Because so many of us have had that trust and love end in sexual assault. If someone you thought you knew so well can do that to you then, like you said, you never trust anyone. Except, you can’t live like that, so you do try to trust and love, and you try to live with the fear.
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Okay, she’s totally wrong.
Now that I have that said and done with, can I ask that the internet not trash a 92 year old woman? You know,“Respect your elders.” and all that. You don’t have to agree with them or believe them, just you know, respect them? Is that unreasonable?
We can start by seeing rape as it is. We must stop falling prey to the myth of stranger rape, because women are three times more likely to be raped by someone they know than a stranger, and nine times more likely to be raped in their home, the home of someone they know, or anywhere else than being raped on the street, making what is commonly referred to as “date rape” by far the most prevalent type of rape. Stop the pervasive insistence that false reports are common, although they are less common (1.6%) than false reports of auto theft (2.6%). Rape culture is pervasive claims that women make rape accusations willy-nilly, when 61% of rapes remain unreported.
We must stop spreading the myth that only certain people rape—and only certain people get raped. Rapists target people who are strong and people who are weak, people who are smart and people who are dumb, people who fight back and people who submit just to get it over with, people who are sluts and people who are prudes, people who rich and people who are poor, people who are tall and people who are short, people who are fat and people who are thin, people who are blind and people who are sighted, people who are deaf and people who can hear, people of every race and shape and size and ability and circumstance.
We have to acknowledge that the only thing that the victim of every rapist shares in common is bad fucking luck. We must acknowledge that the only thing a person can do to avoid being raped is never be in the same room as a rapist. We have to start talking about what an absurdly unreasonable expectation that is, since rapists don’t announce themselves or wear signs or glow purple.
We have to teach our children about meaningful consent, and that being a bystander is a problem, and that they should never be ashamed by what someone else did to them, and that reports must be taken seriously.
That’s the advice I’d give.
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You are putting words in my mouth - let’s cut to the chase - what is your solution?
particularly since Miyam Bialik had some pretty similar comments though Bialik’s had a slightly thicker veil of “just sayin.” they should do a buddy show with Bialik as the young apprentice SVU detective, Miss Sogyny and Jess Sayin’.
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We have to teach our children about meaningful consent, and that being a bystander is a problem, and that they should never be ashamed by what someone else did to them, and that reports must be taken seriously.
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I’d go further than that. Consider schools, inns/taverns, stores (mercantiles), estates (where women worked in various domestic jobs for the wealthy), or farms and you could go back many more generations/centuries. Women have worked outside the home and around non-related adult males for a very long time.
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No men allowed outside from 6pm-8am.
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While it is indisputable that “women in the workplace” is indeed a thing as old as “women,” and there are examples of individual women in every workplace throughout history, I think the original post by @MaiqTheLiar can most usefully be interpreted as referring to the large-scale movement of women out of servile roles and into professions traditionally dominated by males, which is indeed only several generations old.
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The elder at my work place apparently uses the n-word. I say ‘apparently’ because one day he used it in front of me, as he was talking about the NFL players’ protests.
We talked a bit about the issue (and what spurred the protest) at which point he said that this was a time to show national unity.
My response: “If you want unity, you need to stop dropping the n-bomb.”
I will always make my best effort to show tact, no matter my differences with someone. But respect? That is earned and maintained through effort greater than just getting older and forestalling death.
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She’s just gaslighting us.
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