Another power substation attack left more than 14000 without power in Washington state, and they're still calling it "vandalism"

No-one is arguing conspiracy. This is a problem of American policing culture, which goes beyond apathy when it comes to potential acts of right-wing terrorism in particular.

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Like reading SIEGE…

James Mason a former American Nazi Party member and neo-Nazi was a proponent of the idea of “leaderless resistance” as detailed in SIEGE a collection of writings from the defunct National Socialist Liberation Front (NSLF) which advocated violence against political opponents, Jews and non-whites of which he deemed to be the supposedly Jewish controlled entity he referred to as “The System” which has since been embraced by the terrorist group Atomwaffen Division (AWD) in the modern day.

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Man, that Overton Window is getting a workout.

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Vandalism, terrorism - tomatoe, tomatoh.

Yep, and that’s especially true of recent right-wing terrorism - they’re extremely networked and actually organized, so the media and politicians continuing to pretend like they’re all “lone wolves” is really a desperate attempt to ignore reality.

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It’s “vandalism” until they have a good enough facial photo to rule out “White.” Once they do it can be “terrorism.”

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right? i’m pretty sure i remember a day not all too long ago when things like graffiti and broken windows were considered existential threats to the united states

attacks on power stations can only kill people so vandalism is definitely the best word. :roll_eyes:

well. they could be white christian nationalists, or they could be white nationalists who believe in neo odansism, or they could be white nationalists who believe in no god at all. it’s better not to speculate so early on

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Exception to that rule:

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February 2022

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The facilities themselves, easily, the surrounding area to a sufficient degree to be useful, incredibly difficult. One of the problems with power substation attacks is that a lot of them are in somewhat remote areas. Someone in a wooded area can stay back on land not owned by the power company and pop off shots for a while. To shoplift from a Walmart you have to enter the facility. You can sit a couple hundred yards outside of a substation.

It isn’t only far right people who have been picked up for such things, though they are the obvious suspects for a current action. During the Green Scare in the 90s some of the charges in Operation Backfire were for destruction of electrical equipment.

Sure if they fit that bill. Other cases, like the Arkansas attacks from a few years ago seem to have been a single deeply disturbed individual. It would be nice if cops were always wait for evidence before calling something terrorism.

It varies by jurisdiction. In some places vandalism is the neutral term for any intentional destruction of property, but in others it only covers the more minor acts. In most places vandalism is the safest term to use because it doesn’t assume facts not yet established.

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I thought we freaked out about this stuff after 9/11 and put stuff into place to prevent this.

I hope they don’t figure out our water supply, at least in small municipalities, is also an easy mark. I can only imagine what some high power rifles could do to water tanks.

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imagine no longer:

the first one is from 10 years ago. the second, earlier this year.

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No need for that-just wait for the infrastructure to fail and then vote against supplying the money to fix it. See Flint, MI and Jackson, MS.

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i mean the safest term is no term at all. it’s easy to say that a substation was shot at and damaged without implying the motive, or the intended severity.

vandalism is most often categorized as a misdemeanor, and while this will bring felony charges – the word still communicates a small crime; not an organized effort. since they claim they don’t know, they shouldn’t say.

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They do, but the recent attacks on substations have been at long range, not someone walking up to the fence and shooting it with a handgun.

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in the good news department:

now if mississippi will follow through with their part …

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A better term would be

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All 4 republican congress members from MS voted against that provision.

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“Vandalism” covers intentional damage regardless of the motive. “Terrorism” does not; it’s specifically in pursuit of political/ideological aims.

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