ANSI board member thinks we should all pay for sex (and also pay to read the law)


#1

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#2

A statute that isn’t openly published and available to all without cost should not be considered legitimate or enforceable in any court of law.


#3

A democratic society that lives by rule of law, would not tolerate these crimes of the rich.The one percenter oligarchy are mmuch more content when they control access to the laws that they can obey or not, according to their own whim. By their way of thinking, as long as the rich are only accountable to other rich people, that’s the way to have a stable society. Its getting the rest of the population involved that messes everything up.

They only get away with it when we let them.


#4

Should not is the operative term there.

When lawyers and bureaucrats are so morally bankrupt that they can earnestly advocate with a straight face paying to know the laws of the land, it’s time to vote for Giant Meteor.


#5

How do you think the legal system works? You can’t understand how a statute is interpreted without buying (extremely expensive) textbooks. This locks in lawyers as part of the legal system. Paid-for access to law is not perceived as a negative; it is a feature built into the system.


#6

And if you break the law ignorance is no excuse.

“That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” he observed.
“It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed.”


#7

Given that the USA now incarcerates its people at about the same rate that Stalin’s Soviet Russia did, it’s pretty clear that locking up black and poor people is no accident.


#8

“some people are still clamoring for… free sex …”

To people who bill for everything by the hour, and pay for sex the same way, that probably sounds like a telling argument.


#9

Come now - Stalin was at least an equal opportunity offender. I’m reminded of the cartoon of the Russian saying to his kid “Don’t spill the salt - do you realise it takes scientists, composers and poets to mine that stuff?”


#10

Some are still clamoring for free beer and free sex too. I want free Smartphones!

Man, fuck this guy. (But make sure he pays for it first!)


#11

This is an enviable market position for a nonprofit, and they have profited handsomely from that position.

If they’re profiting handsomely, it seems that they are not “nonprofit” and should be taxed and regulated accordingly.


#12

So, can we infer that Mr. Bart always pays for sex? Oh, wait, is that libelous?


#13

Hard to say, I can’t afford to look up what laws that would be under.


#14

That’s explicitly the case in France. All laws and regulations (along with other legal stuff) must be published in the Journal Officiel de la République Française. During his tenure as president, Nicolas Sarkozy asked high-ranking lawyers for a workaround, they scoffed at the idea (and publicized the incident).


#15

kind of. I’m sure French law uses phrases like “state of the art”, especially for stuff like building codes. The state is defined in standards, and ENs are not in the public domain.


#16

I’m not sure a fellow with such a…ruthlessly transactive…model of human behavior would understand this distinction; but there is actually a giant area between ‘free’ and ‘all interactions handled contractually as market relations’; and it happens to be the one where real humans live; and where non-disastrous governance happens.

I don’t expect to get my laws ‘for free’: I pay taxes to support the various functions of government, participate in various ‘representative democracy’ and ‘civil society’ things; and expect that one of the results of that will be a society non-dysfunctional enough that I have access to the laws I’m supposed to be following.

I don’t expect to get sex ‘for free’ either: not because it’s nothing but hookers over here; but because people tend not to have sex with you unless you appeal to their interest, or engage in a relationship that they also see as rewarding, or the like.

I don’t even expect to get beer ‘for free’; though because I’m not Homo Economicus, sometimes a friend or host of an event ends up providing me with a drink without expectation of immediate compensation; sometimes I do the same for them; and we just accept that it comes out roughly square in the end and isn’t worth worrying about.

This is worth keeping in mind because a common rhetorical trick of the assorted copyright maximalists and ‘value is maximized when everything has an owner and is pay-per-use because tragedy of the commons!!!’ types is to pretend that the dispute is between dirty anarchist hippie parasites who just expect everyone to give them everything; and the sober, reasonable, serious, people who are realistic and understand that things require resources.

It’s a good rhetorical trick, in the sense of being an effective strawman; but it’s pernicious bullshit.


#17

Well said.

And I’m stealing that phrase.


#18

No, he doesn’t pay for it. It goes on expenses.


#19

I had a thought, though, that if we all paid for sex now and then we could:

  1. Normalize and destigmatize selling sex as legitimate work
  2. All get laid (:high_five:)

Perhaps he’s onto something.


#20

ANSI is representing a model of standards publishing that’s closer to copyright – from before the Statute of Anne.

Up until recently, standards from bodies like IEEE and ANSI were produced by academics and industry experts donating their time and then published by firms like Global Engineering, which managed to get exclusive contracts which priced copies of five-page documents at hundreds of dollars, almost all of which went to the publisher. Sweet deal if you could get it, but totally inimical to the organizations’ official charters to promote science and industry by collaboration and standardization.

The proof that this is not the only way to accomplish standards creation and publication is that some bodies, such as JEDEC, produce and publish their work free to users. Having participated in both IEEE and JEDEC standards bodies [1], I can state from experience that the JEDEC process – despite being driven entirely by profit-driven corporations – is actually at least as open to participants and as dictated by technical merit as others.

And you can get their standards – up to and including the latest DRAM specifications – totally for free as digital documents, with no strings attached. Go ahead and try at the link I provided.

[1] IEEE 1394 for four years, JEDEC JC-16, JC-42, and JC-45 for ten. Eight as chair of JC-16.