Human FEMALES.
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âŚthen they shouldnât be institutionally punished for their shameful opinions. Everyone is free to avoid them and to think less of them for their actions and attitudes, but I donât think the school should intervene with punitive measures. (Measures explaining the harm and attempting to foster some compassion - sure.)
Followed up by this:
Thats an unrepentant racist statement right there.
Keep on driving trollies.
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Iâm having trouble understanding your position on the subject, What is that exactly?
Since it was done out of stupidity/ignorance, not racism, I donât think they should have been punished either. The context, meaning and potential for harm should have been explained to the kids, but punishment?
The author of the quote doesnât say he thinks he shouldnât have been punished for promoting antisemitism; he thinks kids shouldnât be punished for ignorantly defying social taboos.
Again, as usual, a statement concerning procedure gets conflated with substantive positions.
They were busted for behavior. They were at a school function with standards of behavior that (justifiably and legally) include some limits on speech. They broke those rules. They initially got away with this, but they shared their behavior on Snapchat and were later caught.
A one day suspension for misbehaving at a school function is what it is, and it also isnât institutional punishment for shameful opinions.
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My reply to japhroig at around post 80-81 sums it up.
Dude,1983 Bethel School District v. Fraser.
The undoubted freedom to advocate unpopular and controversial views in schools and classrooms must be balanced against the societyâs countervailing interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior. Even the most heated political discourse in a democratic society requires consideration for the personal sensibilities of the other participants and audiences
That quote is from the majority opinion. You have a right to disagree with it; you have a right to try and change it legislatively; but donât pretend it doesnât exist, it makes the argument facetious.
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Well ok, the fact that the photo was taken at the school function is relevant. But that prompts the question - had the photo been taken two hours later at the parking lot, would it ceteris paribus completely change the impact and meaning of the whole affair?
Perhaps you can call some racist High School students in AZ and arrange a test case. I canât speak to hypotheticals.
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some lower cased letters for the siteâs autofilter, thank you
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Yeah at an official school function is the catch. Hahahah we can spell bad words with this is something that my classmates and I would have done given the opportunity. Definitely not that word though and none of us would have been dumb enough (or at least I hope so cause well being 17/18 and common sense donât go together all that often) to release pictures into the wild of it.
And yeah one day suspension is fine for it. Hey kids donât do that shit and doubly so at a school function and for Bobâs sake donât put it on the internet.
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No, I get that. But my argument is that they werenât advocating unpopular and controversial views in schools or classroom. First of all they werenât advocating it in the first place - they werenât convincing anyone that black people are inferior. They were making a dumb racist joke.
And secondly, it didnât effectively take place in the school. The âviewâ only really became public after the fact and that by accident.
This doesnât appear to be an abstract case of offensive speech occurring at the end of the earth. But rather hate speech at a location that has authority to set rules and boundaries while wearing fuckinâ clothes used for the school event.
If this isnât a, âyou done goofedâ I donât know what is.
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I believe using that particular slur is controversial.
Secondly if you become accidentally controversial, you are still controversial.
Therefore, go write a damn essay on why you shouldnât insult people in a racist way 
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Lastly, can I invite you to the Strategic Butts thread? It is a nice antidote for arguing, and many of us have found common ground (I.e. butts)
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When I was in HS I broke various rules I got busted a couple times for various things and did my time in detention. This was before the public internet, so nobody rushed forth to defend my right to smoke in the parking lot. Iâd guess that even if there was a (public and popular) internet back then that unless I was busted for doing something racist nobody on the internet would have run to my aid.
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Strategic Butts? Iâm intrigued sir!
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The silliest thread ive ever created. Mostly to defuse tensions. Itâs about as fifth grade as it comes.
Back on topic, I appreciate the honest debate, regardless if either of us convince the other.
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