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Not to mention a movie where most of the events take place in places that were completely male-only at that time involves very few women.
How do we know that about a movie set in the future?
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Yes:
Caroline Ryan
Sally Ryan
Mrs. Wheeler
Flight Attendant
Drydock Engineer
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Another film that passes with flying colors, and which would would make an interesting “illustration:”
Death Becomes Her
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Gosh, between those characters and the unnamed CGI slug alien in the background of that one shot from Phantom Menace you’ve really opened my eyes to the amazing feminist wonderland that was 1990s Hollywood.
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I never said or implied Hollywood was an “amazing feminist wonderland.”
You are not helping and not funny.
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No, you just seem hellbent on trying to argue that a whole bunch of famous movies that clearly don’t include female representation on screen actually do because “hey, what about that unnamed flight attendant who brought Jack Ryan a Pepsi?”
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I was answering jerwin’s question.
and I apparently am just asking questions, just like a damn sea lion.
Most movies could pass the bechtel tests if they had only cast supporting actresses and employed more character actresses. In the case of Red October they were additionally constrained by the fact that they were working with existing material. Otherwise, someone like Jeffrey Pelt or Andrei Lysenko could well have been played by actresses-- unless the Soviet Union was horribly sexist-- which it might well have been at the time.
People who don’t get named in a script usually don’t get lines. And to pass prong three, lines must be exchanged by two actresses so as to independently advance the plot and to demonstrate agency.
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I never said these films were good or mediocre examples of female representation in film. You said you couldn’t remember a single named female character who wasn’t a relative of Luke Skywalker. I went on to say Star Wars fails the Bechdel test (and, I might add, has ongoing problems with diversity) And to be fair, after Jack Ryan mansplained turbulence to the flight attendant, she condescendingly told the cranky mansplaining man to take a nap.
I agree that Pelt could and should have been a woman. That would have been an obvious choice. The military staff to which Ryan delivers his assessment could and should have had women officers present.
Lysenko (the Soviet ambassador) had to be a man because the character is weak, inept, and easily fooled. Given Hollywood’s long history of writing female characters as weak, inept, and easily fooled, that would have been a shitty move.
That’s all women deserve, of course. We’re not real people, we’re just there to be accessories to men. /s
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Fuck that noise.
Another horror movie which passes;
Helen and Bernadette talk about more than just the titular Candyman; including redlining, racial inequality and class disparity.
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Damn, I love that movie… easily the best out of Baker… I’m excited to see what Jordan Peel does with the next film.
Or is it Peele? It is with the extra e…
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What gets me about Candyman is that it’s not your typical horror genre offering; the antagonist doesn’t just kill or terrorize Helen, the protagonist.
Aside from killing a lot of people, he also takes away everything that matters to her in life, gas-lighting her, framing her for his crimes… and in the end, Helen still resists him, reclaims her agency, and has her vengeance.
"Be my victim?"
Bitch, please.
ETA: Spoiler tagged by request.
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I’m really glad she killed her ex at the end. He is exactly the kind of college professor that needs to fuck off.
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