Really, thats the best reasoned and truthful advocacy for Clinton I’ve seen this cycle. The right did grind her down. What she has to realize is the Bernie nuts are her out. If she leans left, they will catch her. Bernie has opened the door, she just has to walk through it and all his supporters are there.
ps: it will help if you fess up about colluding and say you’re god damn sorry. Wear a pant suit you don’t mind getting the knees dirty.
W/r to the DNC emails I think the best thing HRC can do is wait a few days then take DWS off her team with a vague statement that it was mutually decided that that was best for everyone. This would have the effect of telling Bernie supporters she was listening to them, while not dimishing her rather strong reputation for rewarding personal and political loyalty.
Just FYI - I found this piece on the actually walk out interesting and pretty measured:
TL;DR - it wasn’t that big a deal, actually.
Can we make her the president?
Well she’s the only solution you got. If you want better then wait 4-8 years and convince a majority of Democratic voters and superdelegates that your candidate is better.
But as it is now the next President is Trump or Clinton, and I am legitimately scared of what will happen if it’s Trump.
It’d be nice to have a woman running for President who hadn’t been First Lady before, though.
Has Shirley Chisholm had any shouts out this week?
Edit: according to Google, apparently Meryl Streep mentioned her tonight (I haven’t been watching any of either convention…)
Shirley Chisholm = Goddess!
She did have a worthy challenger. His name was Bernie Sanders. He thinks you should vote for Clinton.
This is myth. She would be a moderate Republican today if the Republicans back when she campaigned for Goldwater hadn’t changed the course for the party by focusing on opposing civil rights and reproductive rights as their key wedge issues.
I’m not a member of any political party, and I’m not with her.
heard a fascinating take on this earlier…
perhaps we can imagine that some sanders supporters are privileged enough to either vote for trump, or not vote at all. they feel that their lives are unlikely to see radical change with either candidate. as long as they toe the line, trump will be basically fine. it’s everybody else that has to worry.
Isn’t changing her political identity because of civil rights issues evidence that she is progressive?
No.
It’s evidence that she isn’t an extremist bigot. There is a difference.
Rage hard against the machine on the BoingBoing forum, I’m certain the Clinton advisors are carefully monitoring us here, planning to change things all up to win our votes if we just are loud enough here, persistent enough here, and we don’t show our hand. Except you kind of are being the weak link here by showing our hand…
Agree with @Wanderfound. This is not evidence of progressivism. The only progressive thing she ever pursued was single-payer, and after that humiliating failure, she won’t be going back for more. Especially with so much Wall Street cash pushing her around.
i’m also starting to wonder about this strategy of protest voting, but for a different reason.
again and again – in all the reports on sanders vs. clinton – pundits mention the total vote count.
the total vote count gives a lot of weight to the narrative of an election. in 2000, i voted nader because i thought i could in my safely republican state.
now rewind time: nationally gore won by 500,000 votes. if he’d had another million, or imagine two – would fox have been as comfortable calling the election for bush? would scalia have called bush the presumptive winner?
likewise, if all those sanders supporters stayed home because they assumed clinton would take their state – would it have affected states later in the process?
maybe, just maybe, total votes matters. there’s power there beyond simply who wins the electoral college.
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This is myth. [/quote]
With respect, my memory is not a myth.
That’s understating it drastically. There’s a reason Clinton crushed Sanders with the black vote and it isn’t that black people somehow missed Bernie’s message.
That sounds reasonable at first, until I realize that the effect would be the further perpetuation of the Evil of Two Lessers duopoly.
Is it possible to state your support for Hillary and to suggest that Bernie’s support of her and the DNC’s adoption of much of his platform is a good reason to vote for her without being accused of ‘whining’? Because so far it seems the answer is no.
I’m second gen (after a fashion, it’s complicated) and educated in foreign schools, too. I don’t think Americans are exceptional in this regard. Then again I lived in the Middle East. That region specializes in political eschatology. But I don’t think the Sanders people actually have as much of a victory as you think they do.
What they have is a lot of promises. Promises in politics don’t amount to a hill of beans, I don’t care where you are on the planet, that’s pretty universal. DWS’s resignation was simply overdue, and the progressive wing has been yelling itself hoarse that the DNC has been acting unfairly, being dismissed as conspiracy theorists all the while, and now that the emails proving it have come out, they’re being told, “Now shush, it’s not that big a deal. Here, we’ll fire someone who was already in the position for too long.” That actually doesn’t sound like anyone is listening. The rush to unity is exactly that, a rush. I’m not saying it can’t happen quicker than this, but what’s holding it up isn’t Sandersites refusing to accept partial victory, but the refusal to give them a reasonable partial victory.
I mean for cripes sake, DWS became a Hillary campaign chair with zero effective delay! What the fuck is that? That’s incredibly tone-deaf. Forget the Democratic Convention, if HRC keeps up that level of tone-deafness through the general election campaign, we’re completely fucked. We may as well sit down on some fancy trays, wrap ourselves up, and deliver our asses to Donald Trump on silver platters. There is a part in this where we’re genuinely trying to get the party to shape up before they wreck their chances in November. It’s not all as selfish as people think.
