Besides what @fnordius said, at least some of the reaction is due to these constant “Bernie is the BEST CANDIDATE FOREVER and will solve all the problems US has while personally giving you a pony” posts. I know a lot of BoingBoingers are in the tank for Sanders, but the whole thing comes off as slightly desperate.
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Don’t worry, one thing you can count on is the party will ultimately nominate somebody awful whose only redeeming virtue is that they’re not Donald Trump.
Nobody’s actually going to burden you with a good candidate who will solve problems.
Feel better yet?
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As far as substance goes, at the moment there are a lot of great candidates. Really, I would be happy with any of the main contenders. Yes, even Bernie. I just feel like he’s only my fourth or fifth pick in a tight field. I would think someone like Kamala Harris would make a better president.
To repeat:
I don’t think Bernie wouldn’t be good. I think he would be a good president.
I just think the others are better.
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You haven’t examined the field if you think Beto and Bernie are the same.
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Bernie Sanders is one of the few people in this world who could get Trump re-elected.
Dude. I said they were all great candidates. You are attacking a straw man of my position. I hope not deliberately. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but in the end they all score pretty high on my personal matrix.
Now please, stop writing as if your position is “Either elect Bernie, or let Trump have another shot at permanently fucking things up because I quit.” (Yes, I am putting words in your mouth, because that is how your opinions here are starting to parse)
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That’s not true. For example, Warren seems good though I don’t like that she has a short voting record. (Reminds me of Obama - lots of talk, not a ton of action to back it up)
And I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m telling you your words are wrong:
They aren’t. Biden has a history of abusing women, Beto is basically a white Obama (no actual beliefs, only he liked to hack shit and get DUIs so he’s cool I guess?), Kamala Harris laughed about locking up mothers with truant children and is very soft on police brutality.
Bernie and Warren seem like the only two decent candidates getting heavy attention so far, and since Bernie has a longer voting record I’m leaning his way. I’ll pay attention to the poll numbers and might vote Warren if it looks like it’d be throwing my vote away by the time my primary rolls around.
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How name recognition-y.
Do you have any sources to back that claim?
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Of course not, because it’s pure speculation at this point…
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I would say AOC (if she were able to run) has a better claim to that. She is similarly media savvy, but the exact opposite of trump.
And she terrifies the right wing more than she excites the left (based on that name recognition poll recently).
It’s going to be a lonnng 16 months until the end of the DNC convention, and sadly it won’t end there.
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And that’s the kind of holier-than-thou statement that makes people hate Bernie supporters. Maybe take a lesson from Bernie himself and don’t act like he’s OWED the nomination. It seems that was a major criticism of, oh, what’s her name again?
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He isn’t owed the nomination, and in my previous post I even mentioned I might vote for Warren in the primary.
But to pretend Beto and Bernie have similar policy positions is factually inaccurate. If you choose to have negative feelings because I made a mild, truthful statement, you’re entitled to your opinion. But in politics I’ve found people often jump to attacking tone when they can’t compete on the issues.
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Except the poster you were criticizing never mentioned Beto or Biden, yet that’s where you went.
Biden can go pound sand. Beto seems like he’d better serve in a Netflix series than the White House.
Old white guys have had a good long time to get things right. Time for someone else to have a go.
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Cool. Go ahead and nominate pro war, pro police Kamala Harris because you value the abstract idea of diversity more than actually helping the disenfranchised. Just don’t complain when a sub par candidate loses again and how it’s evidence that most of America practices wrongthink.
I’ll be paying attention to the polling numbers and probably voting for Bernie, or possibly Warren if he’s tanking in the polls and I don’t want to split the progressive vote for my state.
I’m trying to point out that if you respond to others the way you did upthread, you’re not helping Bernie. You’re alienating people who might otherwise support him.
I’m 90%+ in alignment with Bernie’s policies. He has some trouble with gun control and minorities. He’s said some things that one would more easily attribute to a neocon dog-whistler than a progressive. But his biggest problem, to me, is the smug followers he has, and I know it’s not close to the majority of his support base, but they don’t reflect well on the man. They are vocal and caustic and turn off other progressives with their rhetoric.
If you support Bernie’s policies, support his policies. You don’t need to shamelessly promote him as a person, because he can’t hold up to the scrutiny (no human can). You don’t need to tear down all other progressive candidates, because that just pisses people off.
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That’s the problem with nearly all cults of personality, IMO. Their overzealous fanatics are incredibly repellent in their obsessive, mindless devotion.
And I say this as someone who voted for Bernie, and will do so again if he gets the nom.
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We already got socialism in this country - but it’s disguised under another name - “tax cuts” … 99.9% of which benefit the millionaire/billionaire class … who are the beneficiaries of 99.99% of US socialism, and the real lovers of socialism (as long as said socialism involves vacuuming the pockets of the middle class and/or running up the national debt to astronomical levels as Orange Twitler is doing right now)
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