Billionaire "centrist" Howard Schultz tweets column calling Elizabeth Warren "Fauxcahontas"

Yes. I desire to be as rich as humanly possible without strangers recognizing me. Whatever that level of wealth is, that’s the amount I want.

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I’m not sure “being just to the left of the folks who were banned from the forum for being White Nationalists” is something to brag about.

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Wow, dude. We’ve been shooting the shit on this forum for at least weekly for four(?) years with (I don’t think) a hostile word between us – rather a fair bit of friendly banter – and you give me that little credit. I’m, as they say, disappointed.

These are different things. One is white governments enforcing a one-drop rule on a population, the other is First Nations governments trying determine who is or isn’t part of them. In general, traditionally, culture, language, and general acceptance were favoured over other means of determining membership. Much of the blood quanta rules around tribal rolls are not by the nations themselves (though sometimes they are).

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Voting for a third party candidate in a presidential election signals that you don’t understand the election system, or that you don’t care; either way, it signals that you don’t matter.

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Just try to hold off on the tendency to victim-blame, as the Libertarians I mentioned inevitably succumb to, and you’ll be able to maintain your status as a conservative whose ideas might be regularly mocked here (though I haven’t observed much of that here in response to your comments, even in the supposed BB progressive echo chamber).

Getting back on-topic:

It’s not the level of wealth that determines it, it’s a specific attitude toward fame. Keeping a low public profile (while still exercising political influence) is a characteristic of “old money” in America.

Sometimes it’s hard to avoid fame, though, despite one’s best efforts. In those cases, the best approach is that of Bill Gates or Warren Buffett: no conspicuous displays of consumption inside the country, lots of charity work, promises to give most of the money away. I suspect that comes from both of them growing up in upper-middle-class households in mid-century America. One who’s brought up that way (and who isn’t a deranged narcissist) is taught not to brag about money, since there’s always enough to live on comfortably.

Schultz, in contrast, grew up in modest working-class circumstances where it’s OK to take open pride in financial success resulting from “hustle”. There’s nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but this presidential bid is an indication that Schultz isn’t handling the fame that came along with extreme financial success very well.

Also, no-one really needs to be “as rich as humanly possible” to enjoy a very luxurious and fulfilling life. A lot of the current inequality in the U.S. has resulted from people who (influenced by Reaganism) have forgotten that and use net worth to keep score.

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Case in point: this 75-year-old pharmaceutical founder who will now get to spend his sunset years defending himself in court over shady business practices instead of spending those years enjoying the billions of dollars he already had.

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When you’re on a phone or tablet, depending on the browser, the “edit” function might hide behind the three gray dots ••• at the bottom right hand of the box, together with the “flag” and the “bookmark” function.

Edit: never mind, I see you’ve found it.

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Up until recently, I didn’t even realize you even leaned right, because you don’t fit many of the negative stereotypes;

You conduct yourself civilly, you don’t just mindlessly parrot your party’s line even when your party is clearly going off the rails, and you don’t go proselytizing to the entire forum.

I can respect that you have different ideas and choose to vote differently, especially since you don’t seem to be coming a place of complete apathy, bigotry and misogyny.

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The First Nations concerns are understandable, but the faux-concern from the right smacks of a reverse one-drop tactic to have it both ways: “She’s not really one of us, but they say that she’s not one of them either.”

She certainly seems to piss off the Billionaire Boys’ Club, and that’s good.

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OK, maybe that was a little mean-spirited. I haven’t been feeling very charitable toward people who pride themselves on their conservative political views lately.

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No worries, sir.

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Sorry, I thought you were addressing the Cherokee’s concerns.

That’s a dilemma for mixed race folks, not one of either, while it seems to come more from the right, there are a lot of other places it comes from too. :frowning:

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I’ve seen a few comments here saying they don’t think Schultz would pull many Democratic votes in a 3 way race. I think you overestimate the typical midwestern Democrat. I hear so many say things like “Well, I’m socially liberal but fiscally conservative.” If the race is between Trump and Warren, Harris, Booker, etc., they will vote for the Democrat. If you toss Schultz in there, many of them will pull off and vote for him because “Socialism is bad, mmmkay!” Am I the only one who thinks Putin is somehow behind Schultz thinking he has a chance?

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That seems unlikely. What leverage would Russia have on Schultz? Russians want compromised people and (boy howdy!) did they have a compromised person in Trump.

Schultz has $1.8B in just SBUX stock, which he can cash out to feed almost any requirement – he’d never need to go to Putin for money – whereas Trump was (is) desperate to keep his empire afloat.

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Putin’s aim would be a second term for Tяump, which is more likely with an “independent” third party spoiler in the race.

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Putin’s ultimate aim is whatever most strengthens Russia and destabilizes the U.S… At the moment it’s hard to imagine anything that would accomplish that goal more effectively than another term for Trump, but who knows what the next two years will bring.

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Fair enough. I took “behind Schultz” as though he would be working with him. Putin might do stuff for a 3d party, but I can’t imagine any collusion. Russians play the long game, and Schultz is long term financially stable, so he’s unlikely to fit the Russian mold.

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No leverage is required. Just a disinformation campaign designed to convince him he has a chance. Putin has no vested interest in any particular candidate winning, only in disrupting our government.

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