Everybody knows not to comment on this topic here. Interesting crowd dynamic.
Mmmph, we might just not care, eh.
Oh good, Iām glad we can stop idealizing this man as a hero for doing what needed to be done regardless of personal cost and start pitying him instead. Of course he turned our secrets over to the enemy (our own people), heās got sanity issues.
The next piece of evidence: A picture of a cat rolling a watermelon out of a lake.
Gender identity issues are not the same as āsanity issues,ā FFS.
Just about anything you could do or say that would bother someone else is in the DSM as a disorder of some sort, so anyone can be painted as crazy once people start picking at it. The current edition of the DSM has transgender down as āGender Identity Disorderā which means crazy for most people. In the next edition, itās going to be downgraded to a dysphoria, but most people will still think that means crazy.
Bitches be dysphoric, yo.
What? No. I think he/sheās kinda cute. Happy now?
David Foley called, and heās kinda pissed off.
Actually, the DSM V came out in May. Gender Dysphoria is the current term for what trans people experience according to the DSM, and it is deliberately no longer a disorder.
Itās a pretty common scenario: He was at the point of a personal crisis and all that stress went into a defiant self righteous act against authority. I would suggest thereās a pretty direct connection.
Itās a shame things have gone so badly for him because the apache videos needed to come out.
Iām curious what youāre trying to imply.
I didnāt comment initially because I didnāt have anything insightful to add. Itās disgusting that our armed forces are homophobic and transphobic, itās disgusting that the poor kid was abused in prison for being trans, itās appalling that this fucking shill of a psychiatrist David Moulton wants us to believe that idealism is a mental disorder. All of this ought to be obvious. Thereās nothing to be gained by pointing out that the sky is blue.
Cool. I thought it was not out yet. People will still think ācrazyā, though.
It will serve two purposes. On the one hand, those of us who just want people to be themselves and happy with it will see him in a very human light - a lost kid struggling with very big personal issues in the context of a very big and monstrous war.
On the other hand it makes it very easy for those who see him as traitor or monstrous to dismiss him as crazy or a weirdo and deserving of everything that happens to him because he is ādifferentā.
His release of the cables and videos was a good thing, done for complicated personal and social reasons. Not all heroes look and act like Tom Cruise or Steve McQueen, and very few of them are acting out of pure altruism (though Manning isnāt far off and Snowden looks pretty good right now, self sacrifice wise).
Well Snowden has his own issues since he did not finish high school. But people said āOh Snowden must be brilliant because Einstein didnāt finish high school either.ā Of course, Einstein did graduate high school, attend university, and got his teaching certificate.
Not finishing high school is not enough to define someone as āhaving
issuesā, especially when they have had what appears to be a reasonably
successful career afterwards. Our education system is not designed to work
well for people more than one SD away from the top of the curve. Kids with
challenges fall behind and get labelled, kids with an excess of brains or
talent get bored or excluded. No idea if Snowden is either of those, but
given his apparent facility with technology I doubt he fell behind the
curve.
All of which is irrelevant beside the reality of what these people have
done. Both of them, at great personal cost, have brought information to
light that should be in daylight. Iām sure they both had a complex mix of
personal challenges and pressures - I certainly do. All I can say is that
Iām glad they did what they did, and I hope it leads to change and that
punishment will not be (more) excessive.
What youāre saying probably applies to 1 out of a thousand people that donāt finish. The real magic is that the other 999 are totally convinced you mean them.
An awful lot of people will think āpervert,ā which equals āimmoral,ā which equals āguilty.ā Most people donāt really do ethical reasoning.
There are more and more kids who are leaving high school, getting out, not finishing, for very good reasons, the first of which is that, for millions of kids, itās an almost complete waste of time. Fortunately, more colleges are opening up to people without HS diplomas.
Hopefully, this trend will continue to increase, and high schools will have to dramatically change what they offer and require in order to keep students from leaving before society thinks they ought to.
EDIT: Sorry, just realized this is off topic!
