Brexit and Brexit Accessories

They never cared about fisher people or their communities of course.

Of course of course.

It’s not even a question.

They fetishise hard working, dangerous, traditional work that they actually have no concern for. They cosplay Englishness. They are actually suave, elite, and out of touch with the real lived English experience. All they know is that people are pissed off and they can speak to that.

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To be fair, the fishing lobby was largely pro-brexit. The only ones who weren’t were the small fishermen who specialised in the sort of seafood that tends to be exported.

Of course, the reason that the fishing lobby were pro-brexit is because successive UK governments have blamed Europe and the Common Fisheries Policy for all the fishing sector’s woes, rather than confronting them with the hard truth that letting them have their own way and allowing them to catch everything that moves would have collapsed the fishery already.

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Lets also not forget that fucker Farage sat on the Fisheries Committee and only bothered to turn up to one meeting.

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Plus, they all sold their quota licences to European fisheries back in the 70s.

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Fucked around and found out.

:man_facepalming:

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Even the wildlife are staying in mainland Europe, away from the UK.

Considering what happened to fieldfare in the past, it might be a good idea if they stay there away from our possible food shortages.

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Showing the leave vote is all very well but people here did not vote to make themselves poorer, I would argue a lot of people didn’t have the first clue how much EU funding we got. We’ve had many examples of Brexit remorse as well and look at the turn out, just 71%, maybe we should blame the English for that. It might be no coincidence that support for independence is increasing as people realise we’ll be shackled to a corrupt Tory government.

In a YouGov poll in November 2020, 33% said they would support Welsh independence, the highest ever level of support.[47] Support rose to a new level in a Savanta ComRes poll conducted from 18-22 February 2021 and published by ITV News on 4 March 2021. This one found that 39% of Welsh voters would vote Yes for independence, once ‘Don’t Knows’ are excluded.

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Those two things do not exclude one another. Because whatever the Welsh Leavers thought they were voting for, de facto they did vote to make themselves poorer.

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Indeed. The daft old racists voted to kick the immigrants out with all consequences to that goal not being on the radar. I’m saying that’s not why they voted, that may be the result but how many votes over the last few years have we seen people voting for the leopards eating people’s faces parties. Now that we will be poorer and many old racists are dying off and new voters are coming of age the vote would be very different.

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Which demonstrates how badly we do referenda. Either we need the populace informed to Switzerland levels or we leave these matters to our elected representatives.

There’s the middle-ground of a citizens assembly, a bunch of the public get something like jury duty for a single matter and pass the recommendation back to the legislature. Lesig thinks this could work for the USA for some areas where the public and the legislature agree the status quo is broken (e.g. gun control) but there’s political gridlock.

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Using a referendum to enact policy that will affect people for generations to come is a terrible terrible way to go and should be forbidden. I mean, the sheer fucking hubris to think you can distil over four decades of membership of the EU to a binary yes/no answer… :man_shrugging:

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Switzerland more-or-less manages it, but they spend a boatload of money making sure that the electorate are properly informed on what’s going on, and don’t allow dodgy slogans on the side of busses.

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This Switzerland?

There are few countries free of bigotry, sadly. Including Switzerland.

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