I love this lady. I worry a bit about the âpink ghetto,â though. If devs make games âforâ 40-year-old mothers, and itâs clear that this market segment is who the game is âfor,â then it still wonât reach the 13 year old dinkuses, and youâll just have a âseparate but equalâ zone.
But if they make a game âforâ 40-year-old mothers and itâs not so explicit and specific that itâs inclusive, that sounds stellar. Iâm thinking something like Shelter. I bet a mom (or a dad) gets a special kind of experience from that game, but itâs something that even your racist kid cousin could grok and their life would be better for it! Or a game like Papers, Please. That isnât âforâ adults in post-soviet-esque countries to fantasize about being a border guard. But itâs not âforâ boys, either.
This entire concept of a game that is good regardless of your marketing niche seems to be a kind of impossible dream in a lot of ways, but itâs probably a good goal!
To riff on @daedalusâs mention of Papers, Please. RPS just listed a load of games that go a bit beyond the stereotypical shooter, including that one.
I look forward to seeing what @Spacekatgal comes up with. Yay diversity!
I believe that was a hoax.
http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2jzyt1/brianna_wu_autism_tweet_proven_to_be_a_hoax/
(I understand that the comment quoted here was not trying to trolley, but I want to avoid spreading misinformation â please try again)
Thanks for the info, I would have never found that. Unfortunately itâs hard to wade through all the crap out there to find the truth when honestly the gamergate side works harder to defame whatever they claim their opposition is.
It makes my original point that they are inventing their own boogymen to lash out against even stronger. They are putting women in a position to shine in the public eye, and then attacking them as attention whores. Frequently they claim itâs all a false flag conspiracy for these women to promote their own materials and then use it as proof that their âmovementâ has purpose.
EDIT
See @Craig_Bickford for the aforementioned false flag conspiracies.
Katherine Cross is actually about ethics in games development.
heh.
Thatâs a super bizarre read. Someone there is all up in arms because Wu falsely said she was hacked - that is, because she drew a reasonable inference from the facts in front of her and then changed her mind when she got more information. Apparently thatâs an odious thing to do.
The article seems to have been written by the interviewer: Katherine Cross, not Frank Wu.
Given that #germergoat is primarily angry at Brianna Wu for being female, thereâs not really a lot she can do to âback down.â I suppose she could promise to never make, talk about, play or even look at games, and that might assuage a few #gamertaint man-babies, but not all of them.
Iâm against this push for womenâs issues in gaming.
IMO its just Misandry masked as âfeminismâ.
And it will destroy the gaming industry if not stopped.
I say this with experience. As a kid I read paperbacks published in the 60s, early 70s, earlier from the library and used bookstore. Got to love the Lancer paperback Conan reprints that I read to pieces, Elric, Dunsany, Clark Ashton Smith, lots of Lin Carter stuff - Gor - Gor by the âBucketloadââŚ
Then, turning 18, in college and with a job I felt like a tycoon and bought âNewâ stuff. This was early 90s. Well I felt Iâd hit a wall of âWhat theâŚ?â
Doing research backwards, the âFeministâ movement, also what we now call âPolitical Correctnessâ was forced by a few monopolized companies on the paperback market. They cancelled Gor and blacklisted John Norman despite his books making good money. They published a lot of pro âFeministâ, âMulticulturalâ stuffâŚ
And the paperback industry collapsed. Oh, you can get paperback books, but itâs 1/10th at best the whole thing for what sci-fi / fantasy alone used to be. And its all PC drek, surface only stories just there to fill shelf space and hope they win the lottery and become the next âGame of âŚâ whatever.
Frankly, the ugly truth is that games are created by and for males. And they are brutal âSink or Swimâ they make what sells or they donât get a paycheck. On top of that they are already hamstrung by non law but industry âratingsâ that hobble them, much as comic books had to deal with.
And, yes, Anita Saarkesian and her screeching crew can and will destroy the video game market if not stopped. How will they do it? Simple. First, and this is happening now, the publishers will âconsultâ them to make the games more mass appealing - this will create more $80 million flops than even Microsoft can swallow. Just as with paperbacks the women, minority, subculture market really isnât in to them, those figures are liesâŚ
Now, wait, itâll get worse⌠What will these big companies do when they get a few flops? Tell Anita to take a hike, to avoid throwing good money after bad? Nope. Theyâll mozy over to the âArt Gameâ world and savage it like Genghis Khanâs horde. Suddenly any âArt gameâ idea will be taken outright by big companies, made with far better graphics and coding they ever could do, and yeah a few will âmake it bigâ but most ideas will then become un-marketable, sued to oblivion if they try to sell them, if they arenât blocked from any online market as it is⌠And theyâll scream to Mammy Obammy or Mammy Romney or ⌠ugh⌠Mammy next Son-of-a-Bush PresiDOnât for money, then run when it dries up.
And no âNext genâ consoles, nothing but amateur work, and consoles likely will be locked out by the companies when they bankrupt so you canât play your existing games eitherâŚ
We need a backlash against these FemiNOTS. They are just trying to find a niche for themselves to make money since they went through the Debt Factories - excuse me âCollegesâ - but we are now in a âPost Feministâ world like it or not.
But, no Iâm not raving âDeath Threatsâ or any garbage like that. Iâm an old fashioned man who opens the door for a lady - or anyone- and the feminist women smack him in the face⌠By âBacklashâŚâ I meanâŚ
We need to make -and support- video games that are worse - by far - games today. Letâs make barbarian games with âaggressive seductionâ sub-routines⌠Barbarian has captured lady in tent, takes off fur bikini, âWoman! Why you scream!? OG will give you MANY BABIES!!!â Import tons of dirty japanese games, Rapelay, even some of the âLoliâ stuff that Chester M would have loved. More stereotypes like Fu Manchu, Dragon ladies, savage black filed teeth cannibal natives. In a decade (1) weâll have a kid going âMommy! Daddy! Can I haz 'Marquis De Sadeâs 120 Days of Sodomâ? Oh, pleeze! My Friends in Grade School all love it, donât want to be weirdo. And the Mutilation Physics are Awesome!!!" And the parents go âOh, for the days of the Hot Coffee thing on GTAâŚâ
And make it clear âthis is to make Anita Saarkeesian SCREAM!â Oh, and Ms Wu too!!!
-but no âdeath threatsâ or whatever, thatâs plain wrong - and - one manâs opinion - not trueâŚ
Itâs simple, if you support a Misandrist hate of white males to hurt them at every level, even a pathetic refuge, fine support this. If you want to have good games, be for the backlash⌠And note people do not HAVE to buy âWorriors of Torrrggggâ or â120 Days of Sodomâ they can publish âFeministâ games and see if they SELL, I just donât want them to force otherâs right to make what they make and buy or sell in the marketâŚ
1-Credit to joke to Adam Warren, paraphrasing cartoon from PSM magazine
Seems legit.
So, youâre saying itâs not about ethics in journalism?
I donât think you could really capture 120 Days of Sodom unless Infocom put it out.
Hereâs the joke - http://adamwarren.deviantart.com/art/PLAYSTATION-in-the-year-2026-49720727
Yeah, IMO if they made it into a real movie (Salo an ignoble experiment) itâd be like 10 or 12 hours, horribly boring through most of it, then towards the end people would be laughing but then going berserk, running out of the theater, attempting to break into the projectionistâs room to destroy the film. The Projectionist (assuming a non-automated system) would be stark raving mad of course, assuming the movie house survived a few showingsâŚ
But, on the other hand to illustrate the absurd âKids these daysâŚâ thing;-)
And a gore fest loosely based on the book using next next next next (?10 years) gen technology for good FX⌠Well it would make Anita scream so Iâd be for it!
I need an expert in Poeâs law in the thread posthaste.
Somebody needs a muffin.
I appreciate the breadth of your knowledge of the underbelly of Western culture, but nevertheless I feel you need this:
While itâs well known that as one gets older, one tends to find changes in the world at large unsettling, confusing, fucking irritating, a rebuke to oneâs very existence, itâs generally not a good idea to make a career out of saying so. - Greil Marcus
Welcome to BoingBoing. Iâm glad you joined to post this. I hope youâll stick around to provide more insight on other topics.
I appreciate you all playing with my food before I could eat it, but reply to @greengestalt no more.
