Arizona?
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So everything that came out of Hollywood would be a foreign film?
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Try “environmental policies that present an urgent existential threat to all humanity”.
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That only works if the people involved want to be unified. See Rwanda.
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GOP governors across the country are acting to Flint-ify Democratic cities. And Trump is threatening to send Federal forces into blue states.
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Or we just need to be sure to ask them to hold the door open for us to get in too. Considering the aforementioned red pockets camped out in CA, we could probably even set up some kind of citizen exchange until things get settled.
So much for all that “preserving local values from tyranny” talk from the GOP.
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That’s been hypocritical bullshit since the days of the Fugitive Slave Act.
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So states, ruled by people who gerrymandered to thwart democracy, are literally killing their people to remove political opposition to them.
Aren’t there supposed to be a bunch of Americans with guns ready to stop this kind of thing? Oh right, they all support it.
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Can they just remove themselves from the Electoral College first?
They’ll just send the militias in to rule, as they are the only accepted Real Americans.
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People voting for this amendment would simply be voting to change language not making it impossible, in the CA Constitution, to leave – and also to allow California courts to disregard Federal law where they see fit.
I think what this does, regardless of its likely failure to pass, is put a hell of a lot of pressure on Trump and the GOP. To be the President that elicts a general election vote in California on secession is unspinnable as a positive for his legacy, and he is an egomaniac.
After rejecting the US Constitution as the highest in the land California could start passing laws that try to balance the California perceived tax dollar inequity problem pretty aggressively – and it’d be really neat to see CA and the US federal government argue in court who has the right to tax Californians. Teapublicans have been all over that shit for years, wanting to see the IRS disappear, etc.
A lot of the problems people point out with CA withdrawing from the Union, for California, are likely manageable by spending the HUGE amount of tax revenue California sends to the Federals, instead of having its citizens pay. There are billions to work with, and again, a lot of the resources California needs but doesn’t have are in trade for food. We do not need to grow that much food to feed Californians and the water wars instantly end if we stop growing almonds in a fucking desert.
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It is? In that it doesn’t happen or that it unreservedly should?
California recalled Gray Davis over this. Arnold won largely on promises to wrest more cash from the Feds. He quickly pronounced several victories too. The idea they tried to convince Californians of was “A Republican can do better in Washington with a Republican executive office.” I think the general feeling is Arnold did better than Davis, but we are still getting ripped off.
Is it fair and should CA fund the middle states? Maybe. I can argue either way on it. I think the problem again is how the Feds use the money. Also not having a falling apart highway system and a miserable power infrastructure for CA would be nice. It seems we should pay for less wars and more upgrades that interrupt things like San Bruno blowing up.
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Thanks for the background info but I’m still confused about @anon50609448’s position on the money out vs money in subject.
Do you mean “using the whole out vs in thing is a bullshit political football that gets kicked around as a distraction and has no meaningful bearing on proceedings because of the opaque nature of discussions surrounding the subject”?
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Most of the population below the Mason-Dixon line are recidivists. Let them off.
No, they are denied the vote, they are walled off from having effective votes with gerrymandering, etc., and Calexit would make it easier for Orange County Rs and billionaires of all nationalities to roll back small d democracy in a place where it’s been recovering.
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What mystical land is this?
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They’re doing it wrong. They should split into two or three states, i.e. gerrymander themselves, and therefore take over the rest of the country and show the rest of us how to do things. They could do it with 6 or more senators, more representatives, increased presence in the electoral college, and additional stars on the flag. Paint 'em rainbow colors.
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Right we fought a war to determine that particular question. And the resolute winner was no secession. As a result there’s no legal process allowing Secession.
Incorrect. The mechanism for exit is similar as for entry. Congress (possibly one or the other chamber, haven’t got the proper Article in front of me) has a vote. That’s the detail the Confederacy skipped.
My recollection of the history I picked up about this was that the Confederacy skipped that step because they’d spent so many years making South-Western territories slave, and when they began losing that battle in Congress, they no longer had the votes needed for seccession.
It hinged, ironically, on the looming issue of California.
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Recovering but not recovered from the starve-the-beast horseshit of the 70s.
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