California Sues Trump Over Citizenship Census Question

You DO realize that there was a time when it wasn’t just citizens who voted, yeah? Let’s not fetishize citizenship to the point of blind patriotism, shall we. And non-citizens, especially those who are legal residents who have lived here for years, but also those here without papers, contribute just as much to society (sometimes even more) to this country than many native born citizens do. Citizenship is just the state conferring a privilege on you, nothing more, nothing less. It’s not some god damn evidence of moral superiority.

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U Mass and BU aren’t too shabby either.

I find myself thinking that a lot, “how in the hell did he come up with that?!” More likely that he did not.

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But so far courts have been very gun shy of giving Trump the benefit of the doubt for responsible use of executive power. Especially here, given his widespread targeting of immigrants, illegal or legal.

It’s my post, so I get to select the metric :slight_smile: and California is first with 400 universities.

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Are they all universities, or some colleges? Just so long as they’re not Trump institutions of lower learning.

accredited institutions with 4 year degrees. If I include all the trade schools (cosmetology college, etc) then it’s over 1200 institutions (and CA is still first).

Per capita Vermont wins though.

And they have real maple syrup on campus.

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Yeah, it’s the result of a perverse system where slaves get counted as being for slavery because their slave-owners are for slavery.

ETA: Actually there’s an obvious parallel to today’s system. If the feds are so worried about Californian citizens getting to speak for other people who aren’t allowed to speak for themselves, there’s an obvious solution: let non-citizen immigrants vote.

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That system hasn’t gone away, really. It’s just changed form; now they do it by building prisons in red districts.

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Yes, and with almost three more years of Trump appointments, that’s not too comforting.

This particular census issue, given the decades of precedent, seems like a slam dunk win for Trump.

That’s insanely grotesque.

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If the census asks about citizenship, Americans should refuse to answer the question. I will.

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Well, it’s kind of inevitable, too.

Prisons won’t be built on expensive land next door to wealthy, privileged, highly educated folks.

The most economically sensible place to build a prison happens to be next door to heavily propagandized, poorly educated folks who tend to vote against their own interests.

The effect is the same regardless of the factors driving it.

I would too. I refuse to participate in the ACS as well. Way, way too intrusive.

The most sensible place to build a prison from a rehabilitation and justice point of view is as close as possible to the homes of the incarcerated population. Which, thanks to the bias of the US penal system, tends to be urban.

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But no avocados, I guess California beats Vermont again.

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But you don’t have either Ben or Jerry. And Vermont beat you by several hundred years in this independence thing your discussing - having been the Republic of Vermont before joining the US.

And were the first state to abolish slavery in 1777.

They’re small, but redoubtable.

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I know this probably makes me a hipster, but… Halo Top.