Looks like Digital founded the internet 
Around 1985 I interviewed for a work experience job at a hospital which ran all their systems on a single PDP 11/60. It was all serial lines and probably a couple of purpose built installed images, but I doubt anybody would consider doing that now with a single pi.
I remember PDP-10s!
Instead of arguing about it… would CA mind joining forces with MA, and taking us along wherever CA feels like going? If nothing else, CA could probably use all the biotech start-ups and companies around these parts.
MA is 1st in the country with the number of adults with college degrees - over 50%.
CA is 23rd with 22.5%
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-college-report-20140422-story.html
Constitutionally, the only purpose of the census is to count people for taxation purposes and to apportion representation which in itself implies citizenship since, (and I know many of you don’t accept the fact that) only citizens should vote. All the other fluff has been added over the years. The citizenship question has been asked before - 1950, I think? on the short form and more recently in 2000 (think Clinton administration) on the long form. Where was the outrage then?
No - not the only purpose.
“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States.”
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Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3
Document 19
James Madison, Census Bill, House of Representatives
25–26 Jan. , 2 Feb. 1790Papers 13:8–9, 15–16
Mr. Madison Observed that they had now an opportunity of obtaining the most useful information for those who should hereafter be called upon to legislate for their country if this bill was extended so as to embrace some other objects besides the bare enumeration of the inhabitants; it would enable them to adapt the public measures to the particular circumstances of the community. In order to know the various interests of the United States, it was necessary that the description of the several classes into which the community was divided, should be accurately known; on this knowledge the legislature might proceed to make a proper provision for the agricultural, commercial and manufacturing interests, but without it they could never make their provisions in due propo
And the Founders clearly had other reasons for the census:
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_2_3s19.html
The legal standing for secession is the right of self-determination which is the foundation of international law. You can’t say to 40 million people, “Sorry, you are legally bound to this state because some people drew lines on a map 150 years ago.”
If California decided to leave the union it would be up to the rest of America whether they wanted that to be a war or not. It would be an awful war condemned by the entire international community that would result in California seeing itself as an occupied territory.
I think people underestimate the short-sighted self-interest of the people in power right now. They want to reduce California’s influence in congress and in presidential elections? How about reducing it to zero? In the even of secession I think Jeff Flake would make a mournful speech about it on the senate floor while Steven Miller - dreaming of a white ethno-state - whispered in Trump’s ear that this guaranteed his reelection.
You confuse representation with the ability to vote. The census was never intended to be a list of potential voters but rather a enumeration of the people residing in an area in order that we may determine the nature of their representation at the federal level whether they are eligible to vote or not. If an area has 2 million people who can vote and 2 million who cannot (whether due to age, nationality, criminal record, etc) that’s 4 million people who need representation.
did you mean to only count private institutions?
It’s been on the long form for quite a while now, and the ACS when it started. California has been losing population for quite a while, too.
http://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265
Just to drive this point home, it’s worth remembering that when the census was started only land-owning white men were allowed to vote. It still counted women.
So far, 12 states are joining the suit.
Nowhere to be found since the previous administrations did not give the impression of using government data collection to target people for deportation like Trump has.
This is the same administration which supports ICE hanging around courthouses, daycare centers and hospitals. In order to catch “the real dangers to a community”
And slaves. But not as whole people.
That’s a weird bit of history to me. It seemed so intuitive that racists would want black people to count for less. But of course it was the slave owners who wanted them to count as full people for the census and it was the non-slave-owners who didn’t like the idea of counting slaves. It was all about apportioning political power and had nothing to do with the value of black people’s lives (since that was assumed to be zero across the board).
Sure. If you have 1000 citizens in a county that oppose slavery (for example), and 500 citizens who are pro-slavery / slave owners, there’s a clear, two-to-one majority against slavery. But, if there are 1000 slaves in that county, each counted as 3/5 of a person, that’s suddenly 600 additional people who “reside” in pro-slavery neighborhoods. Which moves the majority from 2:1 against, to 11:10 for.
Correct. The acceptance of previous census demands for citizenship data does not bode well for this lawsuit.
The only people I know who objected to the long-form census and the ACS are “right wing nuts” like Ron Paul. I wish that more progressives had opposed it in the past, we might already have precedent preventing the Trump admin from doing this.
Just another example of how if you don’t want a bad president to have the power to do X, you better not let the good presidents have that power.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t water and water rights a huge thing in the West, including California? If California somehow seceded, I think a lot of the rivers providing the state with water would be dammed right across the border, and the water used by the neighboring US states.
Outside water comes mostly from the CO river for Southern CA - which is already dammed at Lake Havasu. The water rights already exist for this, but that would be interesting. See below for watershed info.
That being said, even as a CA native and a fairly proud booster of our state, talk about seceding and shit like that is all just wanking done by wankers. Not the least of which as I noted in a comment above about the “State of Jefferson” people.
There are other forms of knowledge than that of the information age that are just as critical to the welfare of a society, if not more so. So with all due respect to Cali, of course.
