I believe I once played that exact combo to a win.
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If theyâre like any other diverse site a good 50% of their traffic will come from devices that canât even RUN an ad blocker. Remember that weâre the vocal minority.
I think we all know what the word propaganda means. Do you have any examples of feminist propaganda?
The confusion will be because generally propaganda is associated with causes that tend not to be altruistic. Given that feminism is simply the pursuit of gender equality it seems like a rather silly thing to have âpropagandaâ for. Iâm not saying it doesnât exist, but Iâm struggling to imagine what form it takes.
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But youâre having to distort reality to make this point, which is a fair point. Weâre not talking about unintended consequences though, the game is called cards against humanity. Youâre allowed to enjoy it but I wish youâd stop pretending itâs only incidentally offensive, itâs the wrong argument.
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Thereâs a npm module for people who write (Twitter|Tumblr|Whatever)bots using javascript called wordfilter- itâs basically a simple filter of⌠problematic words. Words that may popup up context-free when doing a random selection of words from, say, a dictionary. Words that may be⌠offensive? awkward? rude? ⌠in a context, in a manner that the bot author may not have intended or like.
The list of words is simply called badwords⌠because itâs simple. They arenât necessarily bad on their own (although most of them are, I think), but because you canât control every aspect of an automated system, itâs nice to have some filters to auto-remove things you might not want to have happen in contexts you canât imagine.
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You come shit on his doorstep, and then complain that he spent time trying to get you to stop shitting on doorsteps because he could have been volunteering his time elsewhere?
Sweetheart, that is entitlement. You need to remove the plank from your own eye (and learn to use a toilet because your stuff stinks).
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Sorry, that wasnât about CAH, itâs about the horrifying idea that open source is bad because it can be used to do bad things, and censorship is fine because offensive ideas and things shouldnât be allowed. And of course, the definition of offensive ideas is determined by the totalitarian who suggested the eradication of those ideas.
CAH is designed to be offensive, no doubt. I wouldnât play it with strangers. But I think any society where there is no freedom to be offensive is itself a horror.
well sure. the the folks writing about CAH arenât comedians and their apparently shallow understanding of how the game actually plays doesnât help. Playing it with people who are bigots likely ends up with a lot of stupid racist jokes. But if they were to play Settlers of Catan with a batch of bigots they would ALSO hear a lot of stupid racist jokes.
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My god this love song to South Park Conservatism (we MUST be offensive because of FREEDOM looping over and over and over) is tiring. People have attempted to explain this compulsion quite a few times in this thread, but shallowly, and in a kneejerk/lowbrow manner each time.
It doesnât ever come off as enlightened as you believe you are representing yourself.
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Most of the times Iâve played, âcaucasian cis-gendered heterosexualâ was a distinct minority at the table, yet we didnât holocaust each other. Dare I suggest that your friends might be doing it wrong?
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Of course people are free to be offensive.
But there is no freedom from consequences - people getting called out on their behavior.
That XKCD cartoon was published waaaay up in the thread. People are free to be assholes. And the rest of us are free to call them assholes. Thatâs not impinging on peopleâs freedoms. Thatâs supporting it. If there were no consequences, nothing would matter.
Freedom from consequences is what 3-year-olds want. They want to be able to shit on the lawn and say âAMURICA POOPY HEAD FREEDOMS!â
And if they can get the door open, they can do that.
And then theyâll get a timeout and their tablet privileges revoked for abusing their freedoms. And you wonât get any ice cream either. And itâs all your own d**n fault. And if you call Mommy and Daddy a censorious fascist one more time, you wonât be playing with the tablet tomorrow, either.
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Any cause(right or wrong) can have propaganda. Disliking the propaganda, does not necessarily put you against the cause. To take an example unrelated to the current discussion. Iâm an Atheist, but I have little time for Bill Maher. I would see âReligulousâ as propaganda, it was full of weak straw man attacks. It was not honest, and did not treat his opponents fairly. I agree with his position, but not with his tactics.
Lets look at the linked article and introduction, which I would see as a piece of âintersectional feminismâ propaganda. Before I get mobbed , intersectionality itself I have no problem with, but the identity politics practiced by some of its more extremist adherents I have a problem with.
The introduction on boingboing contains a good old fashioned straw man attack. A common calling card of propaganda.
âItâs a good takedown not only of this particular game, but of geek cultureâs fixation in general on the idea that arbitrary, witless âoffenseâ is some kind of sacred bastion of humor, play, fun or speech. It just doesnât have to be that way. We are supposed to be smarter than that.â
From the article:
âItâs important that we provide a trigger warning for what follows. A warning for, well, just about anything: abuse; violence; racism; rape.â
I see this as stage setting. Using trigger warnings is more a signal to the intended audience than a genuine harm prevention mechanism.
The article likes to resort to ad hominem attacks too:
âAnd for the white male designers of Cards Against Humanity, who are primarily selling it to white male players,â
replace that with any other gender or skin color, and Iâm pretty sure boingboingâs reaction would be quite different. This kind of divisive racist/sexist attack is completely uncalled for, and completely unnecessary. Why canât the game be criticized on its own merits? Any rebuttal will now be framed in terms of âWhite men speaking from privilegeâ, and any points made will be ignored. This is essentially a preemptive strike to remove any possibility of an actual conversation. I donât think I ever see this kind of bile outside of feminist propaganda.
âSo, if you were thinking about buying Cards Against Humanity, perhaps you should think again, because your money is an encouragement, your purchase is a statement and your playing is a representation.â
Its not enough that cards against humanity is bad, or that its creators are bad white men. If you buy cards against humanity, you are bad too. Now the battle line is set, you are either for or against us. And if you disagree and buy the game, know that we think you are evil. Its setting this kind of stage regularly that makes me distrust some brands of feminism.
I would look at my other comment in this thread on the Protein world article for a very different recent example. It was highly selective and deceptive in order to push a chosen viewpoint. In other words, propaganda. I can easily imagine an article condemning the sense of humour in cards against humanity that does not resort to such low tactics. Or an article on protein world that was critical but at least honest. But thatâs not what we are seeing here.
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Thanks for taking care of this one for me! 
You may see it that way but it doesnât make it true.
Honestly Iâm not sure where to start with your reply. The âad hominemâ you pointed out is, for a start, in no way an ad hominem. And thereâs the above⌠maybe we just need to agree to disagree.
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I canât speak for anyone else but unfortunately we have a difference of outlook here which may proof impassable. As a European i have no requirement for dogmatic absolutes when it comes to freedoms, the notion that you need to preserve all of the most vile and unpleasant parts of society to protect the good bits is demonstrably false - but itâs your ideology and I have no interest in attempting to change it.
I do think though that, aside for the above, youâre still seeing âI donât like that thingâ, or âliking that thing makes you badâ as âyouâre not allowed to like that thingâ. However I can hardly blame you because the tone of the original article does come across that way, which is shame.
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Fair enough
This is how I know you donât follow the SU&SD crew very closely. They make a (quite funny!) series of videos and podcasts discussing how games are played.
Theyâve been doing it since 2011 and theyâve been active in the industry for far longer than that. There arenât many people who are more authoritative on this subject.
AT MINIMUM suggest improvements in game mechanics, or contrast CAH with games that attack the same game domain and do it much better.
Did you click through to the SU&SD article? They do exactly this.
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My thoughts exactly. Well said, and clarifying.
This is very true. Though really, the worst consequences youâre going to suffer from playing (and even enjoying!) CAH is that somebody on the internet might post an âI donât like CAHâ story that you might come across. Whoopdy doo.
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âWaaaaah! They hate me! That want to control my thoughts! They want to put me in camps! First they invade Texas, then itâll be me!â
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