I wonder if this is why #bendghazi took over #bendgate.
All this proves is cracked.com likes to post clickbait.
Iâd be happy to believe that the original scandal never happened. Perhaps instead of just asserting that someone could offer some kind of proof⌠or maybe a link. With hyperlink we can do that now and itâs become kind of expected.
You want a link to something that doesnât exist? How about a link from you to this putative review?
What the hell kind of internet have you been on where that needs to be âprovenâ?
It also proves that Cracked.com is a voice of reason on this issue, and that isâŚsad. I donât even think Cracked.com would want that to be true.
Am I the only one at this point who thinks that a lot of this fuss is being kicked up by genuine trolls, of the sort who really donât have any personal stake in one side or the other but get a kick out of enjoying the phenomenal sh*tstorm? Or perhaps simply believe the opposite of whatever they happen to be posting because they donât want a lack of interested opponents to slow down the ride?
Can you give us a definition of âclickbaitâ that wouldnât apply to every clickable article headline on the interwebz?
After finishing the article itâs pretty obvious cracked doesnât know anything about 4chan.
I started to suggest that Nelsie was wound a little tight this morning, but judging from the rapid likes I suspect I have stumbled onto some âsocial proofâ of being in the right in-group that I was unaware of.
Quick⌠everyone like Nelsie⌠no-one explain anything. Shout alot!
Of course, even having to post that indicates that Captain Douchebag Eron Gjoni is being given the benefit of the doubt, which is totally something we should not be giving ranting ex-lovers in general.
Thank you for the link.
One of the things that bugs me about this is that the targets of this bullshit campaign were the real opponents of corruption in the gaming industry. That corruption has been obvious for decades: the old glossy game review magazines were funded entirely by advertising from the reviewed games, and the reviews were simply longer versions of the ads. Online gaming sites were little different. One of the negative effects of this was a loss of creativity and a tendency towards stereotyped themes. The recent trends of indie game developers and indie game reviewers have been a refreshing trend, with the exploration of new styles and themes, and more meaningful criticism of game content. And itâs that vanguard thatâs been attacked, absurdly.
One good thing thatâs come out of this is that the asshole brigade used to signal itself by complaining about âpolitical correctnessâ, but now they do so by complaining about âsocial justice warriorsâ. Which, as a few people have pointed out, is kind of an awesome label to bear.
Insulting someone for respecting other people is like insulting them for masturbating â the fact you donât do it has way more to do with why youâre so upset all the time.
What a great line. I wish I could write something so perfect.
Can we please stop giving these pieces of shit the attention they crave? Theyâve already been outed by the IRC caps, and were seen scuttling like cockroaches back to their holes. They lost. Lets forget them forever.
On the other hand, thereâs a good bundle at humblebundle, to support female game developers. Woot!
edit:
he, the piece is good, though. Good read.
Hi @C11 - Iâm posting this for people who arenât caught up.
It should make things pretty clear.
What isnât being linked to is the original Eron Gjoni post that Luke McKinney quite clearly states he wonât be be linking to (I wonât either), and thatâs because it was a direct personal attack from an ex-boyfriend to a female game designer. That post eventually caused her to be driven from her home. If you havenât yet, you might want to read the full Cracked article. McKinneyâs explanation appears in #7.
GamerGate was started by that rant.
This is NOT new information. Gjoniâs rant against Zoe Quinn contained a complaint about her dating a video game journalist. The thing is: once she started dating the writer, he never again wrote about her - even though he went on to write for Kotaku. Also, there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Quinn ever repeated the action with other journalists. However, Gaters have made multiple suggestions that her only positive reviews have been sourced by sexual favor. (From âGamerGateâs Original Sinâ)
Gamers Put On Their Journalism Hats
The story goes that Quinn got into a relationship with a guy shortly after he wrote a piece on her involvement in a scrapped webseries. The guy then went on to write for Kotaku, where he never reported on Quinn again. Somehow, this non-story got spun into a whole web of accusations about bias and corruption in the media, failing to identify a single instance of alleged bias in the journalistâs writing. Even now, people still accuse Quinn of sleeping with journalists to generate good press and/or reviews for her games, yet have been unable to provide any examples of this actually occurring.
So the rampant female-oriented corruption and conflict that the Gaters have been running around screaming about (all while actively threatening and demeaning female game developers in an openly misogynistic fashion) just never happened. No one familiar with the industry is saying that absolutely no corruption exists in gaming journalism. Whatâs being said is that any corruption doesnât center on Zoe Quinn or on women and sex, but somehow only women are being attacked.
The unfortunate thing is that there is certainly corruption and a lack of ethics in many pockets of the video game industryâs journalistic wing. Suspect sponsorships and payola have been standard for years; anyone remember when Jeff Gerstmann got fired from GameSpot way back in 2007 after writing a middling review of Kane and Lynch, advertisements of which were plastered all over the website? Where was GamerGate back then? Why did it take The Zoe Post, a story utterly bereft of actual corruption, to galvanize gamers into pushing back against these entrenched practices?
The kotaku link combined with this information should clear up the whole thing. I seriously recommend this post on the topic.
He actively participated in 4chanâs campaign of lies and intimidation. Thatâs serious wrongdoing.
Hereâs whatâs different, both those examples, âtell your friendsâ and âFacebookâ are partially-closed groups. Also, neither is a direct attack against your exâs ability to do her job. Eron Gjoni open-posted his rant in a manner that made it accessible to millions, and demanded that it be given attention by the very people that Quinn would go to for EMPLOYMENT!
Big difference between personal and business, and between a closed friend group and broadcasting to the world, and not all his claims were even proven out. He did it all while playing the victim.
âŚbecause it should have been a private matter? Making this public makes him a douchebag.
Weâve all been there. We donât all get the people who wronged us run out of their homes.
You tried to socially isolate her? Sounds like you were a dbag, too.
Most people have been cheated on. Iâve been cheated on. Yâknow what I did? Seriously examined the criteria by which I chose lovers, wished her the best of luck with whatever she was dealing with, and cut her the fuck out of my life. Some close friends and some eventual lovers knew the story from my side, but itâs only my side, and Iâm sure she has hers, too.
I didnât take it upon myself to attempt to mete out some punishment to her as if I was entitled to judge her actions. She hurt me. I think it was wrong of her. That doesnât mean I hurt her back.
I canât remember who said it, it was someone on twitter, but it was something like:
âDo you think Roger Ebert was friends with any filmmakers whose films he reviewed?â
Thatâs it in a popcorn kernel for me.
