Charleston shooter Dylann Roof found guilty in racist 2015 massacre of 9 black church members

Watch lists are not without their problems, but the GOP wants people with known terroristic affiliations to have guns :confused: :confused: :confused:

The gun manufacturers have to make money I guess. Those poor poor gun manufacturers. Luckily they have the NRA to advocate for them and against 90% of the American people.

The prick who shot up the church in Charleston was on a watch list and his dad bought him the weapons he used. Something serious needs to be done about that.

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Hey, BTW, wasn’t Obama impressive. That was a speech to remember.

Ten years in a monastery to grow up enough to comprehend the depth of his sin, and the rest of his life trying to make up for it.

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20 years actually living as a member of an oppressed minority group?

Well maybe engage with me as individual if you want an opinion on a specific person vs a generalization of a person with certain types of opinions.

Well fortunately the Democrat run states and cities all have sensible gun laws that work and a remarkable mental health care system. Oh wait… But hey, never pass up an opportunity to take political swipes for complex issues.

That is baloney. The NRA is against the “no fly, no buy” list because that list is BULLSHIT on so many levels.

I can’t find anything saying he was on a watch-list. Though his felony drug arrest should have flagged him for denied. He was allowed to buy a gun because the background check system ALREADY IN PLACE - FAILED. This is almost 2017. This shouldn’t be an issue. They had this system since the mid 90s to work on and get it right. What needs to be done is getting the system we already have to work correctly. And in addition to that, I’d like to see waaaaay more arrests of prohibited persons attempting to buy guns - because they prosecute a fraction of a percent of them.

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Wut? I’m not even sure what you are. Haven’t you said here you’re of Native American descent, or do I have you mixed up with someone else here? (That kind of confusion is one reason why I usually respond to what someone says, rather than to what they seem to be.)

I have Native American heritage and am on the tribal rolls of the Potawatomie Tribe, Citizen Band. I am not sure how that applies to this issue, though.

As I said, I feel like my statement was taken out of context, and a lot of extra baggage applied to it that I wasn’t saying. As an exaggerated example, I am sure that I and White Supremacists agree that the sky is blue as well, that doesn’t mean one agree with their racist BS.

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Okay, I thought you were accusing me of seeing your words as typical white words.

What I’ve been objecting to is your foregrounding of mental illness in your attribution of causes for Roof’s actions, and your downplaying of organized white supremacy as a cause, and your characterization of him as a lone wolf. As I understand it, dude told his victims he was hoping to spark a race war. He knew what he was doing. And as much as anything someone Islamic does, it should be described as terrorism.

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I do agree that Roof was a terrorist.

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I guess that’s a start.

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And yet Dahmer always looked perfectly normal to most folks. Judging someone’s sanity on their looks is probably not a good strategy.

You can believe whatever you want, but I can see plenty of similarities between Dylann Roof being radicalized and any young frustrated Muslim male being radicalized-- both are influenced by people promoting the basic idea of “we can’t all just get along, they have to go.”

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Re your second paragraph: I wonder what it is (well, I don’t really wonder) that stops people from seeing and making that obvious parallel/connection.

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