Climate purge: Trump demands list of Department of Energy climate negotiators

Do the scientists know they should be making offshore backups of their data, software, etc. before it goes in the dumpster like in Harperland?

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One of the benefits of a scientific career is international portability.

Expect to see a lot of US scientists decamping to civilised countries over the next few years.

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It’s happened before…

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So if you don’t like my ideas or opinions, you are entitled to label me as whatever gender and race you like based upon how much respect you think I personally deserve? Hell no, you are not in any way justified to do so. I might not be a queer person who you personally respect, but anybody is due at least the respect of not being told that they are something or somebody else. You don’t get to decide who I am, you are not entitled to that no matter how poor your opinion of me is. Agree or disagree with me as you so choose - but keep your stereotypes to yourself.

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Sort of. Most other countries also don’t have very robust scientific sectors, particularly for those looking at academia.

Most of my colleagues have also noted that, given the above, it would be super unfair of us to start an exodus and take up jobs needed by the natives of those countries. I have young children, so my husband and I have been debating me going back onto the job market to try to move back to a blue state, though.

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But Clinton is an establsihment elite, and Trump is just a poor boy from Queens.

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With Britain helpfully doing their best to discourage any scientists from moving there too, there should be some real opportunities for some countries to benefit.

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Hey, the Western nations have been destructively draining intellectual talent from the developing world for a century. About time for the flow to reverse.

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This sounds so dire… Except I haven’t seen a lot of action on Obama’s part, and Clinton looked just as uninspired.

If government officials all believe that it’s happening, but don’t make any moves to act on it, is that really any better than simple denial?

Perhaps in opposition to Trump, climate activists can mister enough will to actually do something about it. This might be a blessing in disguise.

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Obama didn’t do enough but he wasn’t inactive. That Solyndra thing the GOP people liked to rant about was one of many beneficiaries of Obama’s use of TARP to invest in clean/alternate energy. Cash for Clunkers was also criticized but did pull polluting cars off the roads. His admin pushed far stronger EPA regulations on power plants to limit carbon output, and pushed various programs to promote/reward renewable energy sources and cut energy waste.

Obama tried for more but was limited by the GOP’s obstruction of environmental responsibility. The SCOTUS killed Obama’s carbon tax plans. The GOP controlled Congress fought any action bitterly, which is why Obama signed the Paris agreements but it meant little.

There’s a list of things he’s managed to do here:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/climate-change

If you can’t tell the difference between this:

and Trump claiming AGW was a lie invented by China to attack American business you might need to calibrate something somewhere.

At this point climate activists can’t do jack shit to make a difference. Activists only matter if leaders care about public opinion, and Trump probably would prefer to be hated by environmentalists. While it was probably already too late to deal with AGW, this election ensures a far more miserable future for our kids and grandkids. Really we needed Gore to win in 2000 to get on top of things, when he lost and the GOP decided to treat AGW as a political issue instead of a human crisis we were baked.

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Look HRC was totally corrupt and … Man even I can’t do this as a sarcastic joke anymore.

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Maybe Trump and his wealthy cronies do believe in climate change, but they think it’s an excellent manner to ‘drain the swamp’ that is the Earth’s overpopulation?

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We are rapidly getting to the point where “doing something about it” equals “sabotaging coal mines”.

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The only ones who told you that were either inattentive morons, selfish fucks who stand to benefit from tRump winning, or even bigger morons who are hyperattentive but have no ability to resist preposterous and unfounded conspiracy theories.

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What I mean it that they will be unably to get anything done because they don´t know shit about goverment. They are rich idiots, the only solution they know for a problem is throwing money at it. Or don´t throw money at it to dry the problem out. It won´t work here and soon theywill be so lost in internal fighting and bickering about bullshit that an effective goverment wil be impossible. Ministers will step down, at the end There will be a constitutional crisis and an impeachment of Trump. The senate and house of representatives will have no choice because the pressure from the street will get too big. Just wait and see, the "lets give him a chance "-crew that mostly voted for him for his silly promises and because they didn´t like Clinton, will soon get enough from his bufoonery and switch to the side that wants him kicked out of the white house. I don´t know if there there is a possibility of a new election in the US constitution if a gouverment is a complete inept cavalcade of fuck ups that has lost the support of most of the people, but you should make an example here.

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I think all that’s required is some degree of inattentiveness; though in retrospect, it does seem like they were morons :wink:

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It takes more than one demographic to win an election.

I’m of the opinion that tRump won because the American educational system failed our voters.

Democracy without an educated electorate is impossible. And our electorate is dealing with public education being progressively more dismantled and hobbled ever since Regan, if not earlier. People shouldn’t be taught what to think in school, but rather how to think. But neither is happening due to an insane focus on standardized testing. Sure testing is valuable, but you can’t let it dictate the curriculum, otherwise it teaches that taking tests is important and that critical thinking isn’t.

Really, my biggest complaint is the stripping away of critical thinking in school. I would never have learned any proper methods for critical thinking if it weren’t for very smart, private tutors I didn’t really deserve, who saw my ignorance and credulity and decided to focus on such an important ability as critical thinking and make it a strength for me. And I say this as a very bad student who still fails often to think critically.

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I think you missed the memo:

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