Conservative Christian students at Liberty University are feeling the Bern

[anon33466019]

Thoughtful take, thank you.

[LDoBe]

Yeah, coming from a christian fundamentalist upbringing, we loved the jews. We had to. Otherwise god might tell them to fuckin’ eradicate and totally annihilate us like they did the amalekites. Also, the jews are pretty integral in bringing the end of the world which in christianity is a good thing. We wanted the jews around and doing well. They’re part of god’s amazing plan to rapture all the good people, up to heaven and to send locusts with the bodies of horses the faces of men and the tails of scorpions to torture all the bad people they’ll wish for death, yet death will be refused to them. You know, the infinite pain that’s supposed to be justice for finite sins and all that.

[anon67050589]

@jsroberts

The repetition of “Jew” is supposed to sting for evangelicals who have allowed themselves to become so prejudiced and complacent towards justice that they laugh at someone for looking and talking like an older John the Baptist or Jesus and ignore some of the central teachings of Christianity (and Judaism).

They’ve gone so far off-track that even a Jew is a better Christian than they are?

[L_Mariachi]

Somehow I doubt the point of the koan hinges on semantics.

[anon50609448]

@anon67050589

Did he really have to keep repeating “Jew” over and over again? It gave a very mixed message.

@japhroaig

But the repetition of Jew and Crazy Hair was off putting.

@jsroberts

The repetition of “Jew” is supposed to sting for evangelicals who have allowed themselves to become so prejudiced and complacent towards justice that they laugh at someone for looking and talking like an older John the Baptist or Jesus and ignore some of the central teachings of Christianity (and Judaism).

I’m actually pretty sure that his repeated phrase “wild-haired Jew” is an intentional reference to Jesus, who was a wild-haired Jew.

ETA: My brother studied the bible for years, his takeaway was that the point of the testaments is that you would also have killed Jesus. It’s not exactly a standard reading, but I think that’s what this guy is getting at.

[Mausium]

@kupfernigk

This is what worries me philosophy of science wise about the foundations of quantum indeterminacy: I think there is lurking Judaeo-Christian theology in there somewhere.

How about people just not shoehorning quantum physics where it doesn’t belong to start with? It’s already awkward enough when the Deepak Chopra brand newagers try to coopt it, we don’t need dippy Evangelicals doing the same.

[anon67050589]

He made a point of saying that he was referring to John the Baptist, not Jesus.

[anon50609448]

I guess it would be pretty weird to compare Sanders to Jesus.

[HMSGoose]

@Mausium

Same protestant lack of ethics.

…but no dearth of the Spirit of Capitalism, praised be His name!

[anon67050589]

Yeah, I think this was a case of “know your audience”, so comparing him to John the Baptist was the safe way to hold Evangelicals’ feet to the fire and still maintain that the Jew in question isn’t a Christian like “us”. That’s what makes it worse…even a Jew, god forbid*, follows the teachings of Christ better than we do.

*yeah, I meant that reference

[anon33466019]

Then I accept Jesus into my local chapter of The Eccentric Manes. Meetings are on Tuesdays.

But seriously thanks for the perspective.

[HMSGoose]

@LDoBe

send locusts with the bodies of horses the faces of men and the tails of scorpions to torture all the bad people

…wait, fundamentalists don’t like D&D?

[kupfernigk]

@L_Mariachi

Somehow I doubt the point of the koan hinges on semantics.

Somehow I doubt you are actually a man of Zen,

@Mausium

we don’t need dippy Evangelicals doing the same.

Thank you for the insult.
Now try and parse what I actually wrote and realise that I am making exactly the opposite suggestion - that physics is still influenced by Judaeo-Christian theology (biology certainly is, just look at the nomenclature of the hominids.)
Dippy evangelical? Agnostic with Zen/Quaker leanings whose main interest in final year at U was exactly the mutual influence of theology and science in the 19th century.

[Mausium]

@kupfernigk

Now try and parse what I actually wrote and realise that I am making exactly the opposite suggestion - that physics is still influenced by Judaeo-Christian theology (biology certainly is, just look at the nomenclature of the hominids.)

I suppose it would hinge upon the definition of “influenced”.

I think there might be a misunderstanding here, I see nothing wrong with Christians in science, and persons applying their own faith into wanting to know the world they’re in. Just the justification of apologism and unnecessary introduction of faith into the scientific process.

[anon61221983]

@anon50609448

My brother studied the bible for years, his takeaway was that the point of the testaments is that you would also have killed Jesus. It’s not exactly a standard reading, but I think that’s what this guy is getting at.

That’s… an interesting reading. Is this a common view in some sects? I’m not sure I’ve ever heard it… It does put this guys take on sanders in an interesting light.

[anon50609448]

@anon61221983

That’s… an interesting reading. Is this a common view in some sects? I’m not sure I’ve ever heard it… It does put this guys take on sanders in an interesting light.

I have never heard it anywhere else, and I wouldn’t expect my brother to have anything remotely resembling a common view. I also couldn’t imagine that view existing at a conservative christian school where the general view is something more like, “I got an in with Christ, let’s go beat up some gays.”

[anon61221983]

Still… I kind of like that view. It sort of turns things a bit from the normal interpretation.

[LDoBe]

Revelation does get awfully dungeon-crawler-esque. A seven headed, ten horned sea monster with a “death wound”, a dragon trying to eat a baby, true names have binding power, the dead rise up to fight at Armageddon.

[redesigned]

@HMSGoose

…wait, fundamentalists don’t like D&D?

little known fact…if you look really closely at the painting of the last supper you can see multi-sided dice and little painted pewter figures on the table.

If you want to get really meta about it…

[Mausium]

“Everything you do makes baby Jesus cry” seems a more common interpretation. But I suppose it isn’t far off from “and you would’ve killed Jesus too, also.”