I wouldn’t inflict my offspring with my own genes. I hope others are as considerate.
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Hey, you don’t have privileges on that list, do you? Because I’m still not on there and it’s a damn travesty.
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I live overseas and flew my kid home at least once a year and we ALWAYS got her own seat. I brought along her car seat and strapped her into her five-point harness, so it was more like a car trip for her. Car seats work wonders.
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The last episode of MASH…where the mother unintentionally (or maybe unwantingly) smothers her baby to DEATH.
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No, sorry. There is a LOT this mother could have done - no matter the child’s problems. Where was the kid’s car seat? Buy the kid his own seat then strap him into a car seat. That will prevent him from running up and down the aisle! Where were his toys? Books? His favorite foods and snacks? An iPad alone is not sufficient.
The parents are to blame for their children’s behavior. Kids do indeed melt down, but parents have to know how to deal with it. Throwing your hands in the air on a crowded plane is crap parenting. I don’t care how tired a parent is; it’s a 24-hour a day job. Deal with it.
I am VERY experienced traveling internationally with my child. When she was young I came prepared for every eventuality and my carry on weighed a ton. I had extra diapers in case of sickness, extra clothes in case she got sick and on me, food, toys, books and extra pacifiers. We (quietly) sang songs all the way across the ocean. We played finger games. We read books. I got off the plane exhausted, but I was determined not to be one of those lax parents making the rounds on FB.
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My Dad was in the Army. We (my mother, brother, and I) flew across the ocean five times as a child because it was that or separate the family for years.
Not all flights are vacations.
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The judgment I’m making here is about the mom’s apparent lack of social diplomacy in the situation, not her parenting skills. I understand that it’s possible that there was nothing she could really do about it, 8 hours of this behavior is seems rather extreme to chalk up to a lack of discipline. It appears that no one, including the mother, addressed this problem at all. It is possible that even the most polite offer of assistance would embarrass her, and what I meant was that that possibility is acceptable, and she would definitely have found it more preferable than the mass internet shaming that is happening now. There’s no reason that any of us needed to know about this event. We know because of the deep resentment of the person that made this video. This could have been mitigated somewhat.
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That reminds me. I need to pick up condoms on the way home.
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Hypocrisy much?
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What would your mother or father have done if you’d behaved like this kid did on any of those flights?
I agree, which is why I didn’t say it was a vacation. I didn’t want to get too much into speculation, but what with their going through Germany and only one parent being on the place a visit to a parent in the service was one of the possible reasons that came to mind.
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Should have strapped him to the seat, and put a bag over his head like how bound wild animals are calmed.
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Sometimes, …
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I think the original commenter was clearly using “it” as a jokey way of saying “demon spawn” or something, I don’t see how it could be interpreted as an anti-trans statement.
Not directly, I know, but the OP brought ‘it’ up
And I added to ‘it’ by including an example. Maybe it’s OT but the general point is valid- referring to a thinking, feeling person as ‘it’ is dehumanizing and gross. Except when @Medievalist is referring to babies because as established they don’t really care.
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"Children with disabilities of any kind are not identified in crime statistic systems in the U.S., making it difficult to determine their risk for abuse (Sullivan, 2003). A number of weak and small-scale studies found that children with all types of disabilities are abused more often than children without disabilities. Studies show that rates of abuse among children with disabilities are variable, ranging from a low of 22 percent to a high of 70 percent (National Research Council, 2001). Although the studies found a wide range of abuse prevalence, when taken as a whole, they provide consistent evidence that there is a link between children with disabilities and abuse (Sobsey, 1994).
One in three children with an identified disability for which they receive special education services are victims of some type of maltreatment (i.e., either neglect, physical abuse, or sexual abuse) whereas one in 10 nondisabled children experience abuse. Children with any type of disability are 3.44 times more likely to be a victim of some type of abuse compared to children without disabilities. (Sullivan & Knutson, 2000).
Looking specifically at individuals with intellectual disability, they are 4 to 10 more times as likely to be victims of crime than others without disabilities (Sobsey, et al., 1995). One study found that children with intellectual disability were at twice the risk of physical and sexual abuse compared to children without disabilities (Crosse et. al., 1993). "
Demonic hellspawn that deserve it. See the thing is when we keep saying this, people keep DOING it. You can’t have it both ways. Either you think that children who are abnormal need support, accommodations, and a degree of tolerance or you think they don’t… but please don’t pretend to care about things if you’re going to actively contribute to problems for people.
No one would post a picture of a mentally ill seeming black guy and say “look at this subhuman xxxx” because we know that it contributes to oppression of black people and that the guy probably has a legitimate problem.
Why can’t we apply that logic to kids who are clearly behaving in a way that is so abnormal it DISTURBS us… no no, that’s demon spawn and if the parents can’t control it… well the statistics say it all don’t they?
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And yes if I seem passionate it IS because it affects me personally, and loved ones. Going back very far because there are and were disabled, autistic, and otherwise mentally or neurologically impaired people. Yes, my genetic material should never have created me I’m acutely aware of that every day, but you can take that up with my mother if you like. She’s the one who wanted a kid. I’m the unfortunate consequence of that dragged through existence knowing that most people would prefer if I died. The irony is as an adult you’d likely never know. Not that I should be judged on anything I’ve accomplished. Like this kid let’s judge me only on the times in my childhood I was unable to BE a normal child , and lets consider everything that people did to me as justified because I burdened them with my existence. Honestly, I’m used to that. That is how my life has gone and how the lives of many of my family members have gone going back generations because this shit is genetic.
Anecdote: When my grandmother was in an oral school (no sign language) as a small girl because she was deaf she became ill with measles. Another girl was also ill and in the same room as her being isolated and treated as best they could at the time. Both girls were deaf. In the night the other girl began screaming in pain. A nun/nurse came in and beat her into silence. The following morning she was gone because she had died. There was no investigation, nothing, that was normal. My grandmother used to tell that story because it was that experience that taught her to be very quiet and constantly check whether she might be feeling something in her body that suggests she’s making a sound. She carried this practice on until her death, refusing to make noise and only speaking in sign language to her daughters to communicate pain or ask questions. This is the progress we’ve made so far. We’ve gone from beating them to death with full immunity to any consequences to having people barely accommodated even in the most critical situations.
Nobody likes to be around crazy people and people who are different, I know it well. It’s human nature. But for Christs sakes are we so insecure as parents that we need to find a kid documented by a stranger, posted online, demonize that child literally and then start sounding like Drudge Report commenters talking about “thugs” and “immigrants” when discussing it?
It’d be a lot less irritating if kids weren’t actually being killed, abandoned, neglected, and surrounded by adults who support it because to them that kid is just a problem that shouldn’t exist. But that’s actual reality. If that’s how you really feel then fine… but please don’t pretend to be something you’re not in that case.
We don’t KNOW what the mother did. We don’t KNOW why this is happening. We don’t know why the flight attendants and staff seem to be ignoring it. There’s a lot we don’t know. But it says a lot that what we jump to is “demon spawn” “lazy mother” and “What I’d do to that little brat…”
And no, in case anyone is worried, I won’t have children. I’m the last member of my family and the youngest and I was determined by the age of 6 to take this family into the Earth with me, bringing an end to at least some future potential suffering. It’s the least I can do. I DO however have a lot of experience dealing with children who act like this sometimes and I can tell you everything is a crapshoot. Maybe the mother didn’t know how to handle this situation, sure, but FFS if you haven’t had to deal with things like this stop pretending you know how to. Also if you find yourself around a kid like this go ahead and do talk to the parent. They may be a shit parent or a decent one, you won’t know until you find out. Instead of attacking with your indignation a good approach is to ask the parent if they need help or if there is something that might help the kid settle down, inform the employees on the plane, raise an issue. But don’t post the damned kid on the internet to be mocked with no context at all. That’s just being a jerk. And I’ve been on lots of unpleasant international flights including a family of three kids behind me with each of them puking regularly.
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Nope. Not my spawn, not my problem. If your child(ren) can’t handle traveling without epic and (theoretical) uncontrollable meltdowns, then either find alternate means yourself, or don’t bring them along. You took the risk of having them, you deal with the outcome of having them. Parents provide all sorts of accommodations to their children, and this is not any different. A negative accommodation is still an accommodation. Life sucks sometimes, but that doesn’t mean you should inflict it upon others with impunity.
And no, I’m not saying anyone with a disability shouldn’t be able to fly just because they have a disability, that’s despicable and cruel. What I am saying is that anyone (adult or child, disabled or abled alike) that is incapable of not being this level of disruptive, shouldn’t be allowed to become a forced nuisance for others when there exists a reasonable expectation of calm. Claiming a special status just to justify or enable unacceptable behavior is unacceptable in a polite society.
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Lack of societal support is a major factor in the high rate of death and abuse of children with disabilities and mental illness. “Not my problem” is killing people. That’s fine if that’s how you feel but don’t try to sanitize it at the end. Your “polite” society has a death toll. If you choose to ignore it then you are on the side of the oppressor. That’s a valid stance if it’s the one you mean to have, I don’t agree with you, but please don’t couch it tired excuses.
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I’ll admit to wanting to scream with joy at the thought of going home to NJ, but I learned to keep those feelings to myself. As others have mentioned, it was one of the most important lessons my parents taught me.
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