Disney thought it would be a great idea to sell a full-body brown-skinned Maui costume

There is a hundreds-of-millions of dollars industry built on this very concept. Weird, I know.

I’ve always felt that if you aren’t going to make the attempt to be creative, it’s better to just go “as yourself” than spend money on a pre-fab costume. Either way you look lazy, but one way will save you money.

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I know; I was being far too practical.

What was I thinking?

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Now you’re just driving trollies.

I’ve not actually offered much of an opinion, in fact, my opinion on what went down at Disney is similar to the one you just wrote in your post.
(I of course interpret the effects of this differently)
I’ve merely pointed out that you do not yourself meet the standard against which you measure the worth of others opinions.
The question isn’t why should you care about my or other’s people’s opinions on the offensiveness of this costume, I made my point as clear as I could.
The question is why should anybody else care about your opinion when you set ground rules for discourse that you yourself will not honor?

I do not expect a response, feel free to dismiss my opinion if you wish, I will play by the rules you set down and dismiss your opinion on the offensiveness of this costume.

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You and I once had a knock-down drag-out argument about race or appropriation in Big Hero 6 IIRC.

Did we? I honestly don’t recall, though Big Hero 6 is a much different animal than Moana, since it’s such a cultural fusion and isn’t really rooted in any particular race or culture.

Disney’s such a multicultural, worldwide-based company that I don’t have any issue with them making movies about a wide variety of cultures, especially when they go to such pains to involve those cultures in making them these days.

I dunno, i have a plain white lab coat (a real one at that) that i enjoy wearing on halloween. It’s my lazy costume but i rather enjoy having an excuse to put it on.

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Are you comfortable with appropriating ritual objects from the scientific community?

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Only valid if it isn’t your profession. Being a lab tech or doctor for Halloween isn’t a costume if you are a lab tech or doctor… :slight_smile:

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LOL, so you’ve clearly missed my point and have taken this personally, that’s ok. good day

Using whatever you have around the house totally counts as being creative.

And you can just say you’re dressing up as one of these guys:

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There’s a cluelessly ethnocentric argument! Is the movie depicting a lewd culture, and by the standards of whom?

Selling ethnic skinsuits to children

… as opposed to all of those people whose skin has no ethnicity! Using “ethnic” as a general adjective needs to go.

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NOW???

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next up: turtles, lions, chewbacca, the hulk and many other pop culture figures file joint complaint about children dressing up in their ‘skns’ at halloweeen. later in the show, we talk to several psychiatrists and psychologists in a segmant we’re calling ‘how did americans get so easily offended over something nobody else on earth cares about?’

I can’t assume that! Because “white” is not an actual ethnicity, it’s an arbitrary umbrella covering dozens of real ethnicities, the inclusion of many which are contentious.

Same thing goes for “POC”. These just aren’t meaningful categories to everybody. Lumping people into races actively denies their ethnicity, often for crass demographic purposes.

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Let me see if I can guess what those four men in your picture were locking arms about:

  • People who weren’t allowed to VOTE?
  • Families who were killed when their churches were FIREBOMBED?
  • Little children who had to be escorted by the National Guard so they could safely go to SCHOOL?

Naaah, it must have been something big, something like, like…INAPPROPRIATE HALLOWEEN COSTUMES!!! Yeah, that’s it!!

I agree with your point. But it might be better called corporate cultural ownership. In the same way that Disney has taken possession of so many stories from the public domain and then put legal pressure on anyone else telling variations on those stories or selling merchandise based on those stories.

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The thing I would be more annoyed with is if the tattoos they used for Maui were just a mashup of Polynesian-looking designs that the Disney artists thought looked ‘cool’, without making sure they were appropriate for the character. Incidentally, try looking at old pictures of King Kamehameha I; he was over 6 feet tall, and as part of his legendary feats of strength, moved the Naha stone, a chunk of lava weighing 3.5 tons. He was mighty. Hawaiians are not all built like Duke Kahanamoku, lean swimmers.

BTW, look at these paddlers from Na Wahine O Ke Kai race, from Oahu to Molokai. Not a single set of wimpy shoulders in the lot!

My daughter’s Black Zelda costume was awesome. I made the golden shoulder armor.

That’s the real crime worth being concerned about, right there.

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Yes, i absolutely am :smiley:

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No one. No. One. Not one single one.

???

I know a number of activists in Hawai‘i who have given it a second thought, a third thought, and a fourth thought too… and all those thoughts are pissed. And it’s not about the tats or the portrayal of a PI person in general, it’s about being able to lay down the cash and slip on a brown skin.

I’m not taking a stance on this one. I’m more concerned about the Dakota pipeline and keeping Trump the hell out of office.

But, you are way off about nobody in Hawai‘i, Kānaka Maoli and others, caring about this.

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