DoJ forced Google to turn over Jacob Appelbaum's email, then gagged Google

[William_Holz]

@L_Mariachi

No, a failed revolution is one after which banks still exist.
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So no revolution has succeeded ever then.

Snippetied for brevity…but basically 'it depends on what one means by ‘successful revolution’

@William_Holz

I did clarify in the rest of the post you replied to that there are indeed differences in definitions of what a ‘successful’ revolutions are, which is completely reasonable.

If one argues that a revolution is succesful if it usurps the previous system then yes, you are correct. However many (perhaps like @L_Mariachi in the post you replied to) don’t define it that way and instead define success as having accomplished the goals it set out to accomplish.

@albill

I prefer to go with the dictionary definition of the term. Thanks.

I guess I’m done here. Feel free to make your rhetorical points without pretending they are in response to things I said or actually addressing what I write. You can use someone else as your launching point.
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Added dictionary definition!
Success:
noun
the accomplishment of an aim or purpose.“the president had some success in restoring confidence”
synonyms: favorable outcome, successfulness, successful result, triumph; Hollywood ending
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Try the word “revolution” next time since that’s what we’re discussing.

There was a whole sentence there, with context. Not just a word.

Revolution happens. Arguably was not successful. It’s perfectly reasonable for somebody to make that statement in a sentence.

It’s not like anybody here actually thought no revolutions ever happened, and using entire sentences in context is a key component of proper communication among most humans.

That was a lot of wasted effort and discussion dedicated to arguing over a single term

(Edited to add full context in a single post as it was an unnecessarily long conversation and some more…ahem…volatile posts have been removed that may contain some context)

[NickSay]

The real Bender would know that it’s “jerkwads”

[shaddack]

@L_Mariachi

No, a failed revolution is one after which banks still exist.

I’d say a successful revolution is the one whose anniversary becomes a public holiday.

But I still like your perspective more.

[anotherone]

It’s my understanding that anyone who attempts to disseminate information is a member of the press.

[enso]

I’m not sure that’s the legal standard but then I don’t know what the legal standard is.

I disseminate a lot of information as part of my job. I write security advisories. I’m not the press though.

[anotherone]

Legal standard? No thank you. Such a standard would be a foolish thing to establish. What right does the government have to decide who does and does not get the protections described by the first amendment?

The Free Press Clause protects the right of individuals to express themselves through publication and dissemination of information, ideas and opinions without interference, constraint or prosecution by the government (1) (2)