I mean, equality is good, but Iâd much rather not have people forced into bearing arms against their will.
We are a small country next to a big and historically pretty hostile one. We need conscription. Sweden did away with it, and their military hollowed out; theyâve restored it again.
Of course, it helps that the last time Finland engaged in military aggression was during the Continuation War, 1941-44, and there were, shall we say, mitigating circumstances. Serving as a conscript, you know youâre not going to be thrown into some imperialistic invasion halfway across the world, but rather if you ever are called up, itâs to defend your homes from said imperialistic invasion.
(There are also options for non-military service, âsiviilipalvelusâ or literally âcivilian serviceâ, and military service without bearing a weapon, for those who are ethically opposed to bearing a weapon.)
Sounds like the sort of situation where youâd get plenty of volunteers, then.
If thereâs still not the numbers, then itâs like all other situations weâre seeing lately. Thereâs not a labour shortage, thereâs a pay shortage.
That will end soon.
Nah. Finland isnât going to send Finnish conscripts to NATO operations overseas, and NATO isnât going to request them.
What will happen is that NATO will ask for, and get, volunteers who will join various ops in different positions. Mostly career military, who are going to be fully aware theyâre risking their lives, because thatâs their profession. In other words, exactly what happened with our participation in ISAF in Afghanistan, or any number of UN peacekeeping missions over the decades.
Nah. These volunteers are going be part of Nato forces committing war crimes just like any other Nato coutries volunteers.
That may happen, sure. I was talking about the selection process.
The operations where NATO acts under a mandate from the UN (e.g. Kosovo, Afghanistan, Libya) donât fall under the collective defence clauses, so it is up to each member state to decide whether or how to participate without any obligations. In the case of Libya, the NATO-led military intervention involved only half (14 out of 28 at the time) of NATO member states. And Finland already volunteered to send troops to NATO-led operations in Kosovo and Afghanistan, as well as to the coalition in Iraq, so I donât think Finlandâs NATO membership will change much in that regard.
Yes we have already aided in war crimes but that last bit of joining still makes me sick. I have no doubt that we will commit war crimes with Nato troops.
And of course Nato has been operating in Finland for for decades.
Saner then building a wall.
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