Yeah really great that it helped put a corrupt pseudo-fascist in power.
That’s really gonna tamp down on the excesses of American government. Absolutely going to lead to more transparency.
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I think the Democratic belief that a failure to convict trump in the senate will cause the effort to backfire on them is wrong headed.
We know that it will fail in the senate. Waiting till you think the republicans will cave is a fools wait. All they have to do is dig in their heels, and you’ll never have the courage to come at them.
What they have to do is go into it will full disclosure of their expectation that Republican corruption will fail to convict Trump - that should be the leading story about impeaching trump – to demonstrate that ALL the GOP is as CORRUPT AS TRUMP and they going to LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. Make the inevitibal defeat into as much of a victory as a success.
There are so many ways to spin this as doing the right thing, no matter its futile, making sure the nation leads what went on, learning the true mettle of their senators, etc etc, not to mention making trumps life hell for the next two years. Let him come out of the impeachment destroyed, even if unconvincted.
You all remember what happened after Clinton’s failed impeachment…
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I always preffer knowledge over ignorance. The fact that Trump got elected is considerably more complex than the dnc rigging their primaries and fancy bear telling us about it.
You mis-spelled GRU.
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Even in the leaks the closest you come to that is certain DNC staffers proposing some weak sauce attacks on Bernie that they never followed through on. There is no evidence that anything was “rigged”. And the claim that it was, was the point of that particular release within a massive, persistent misinformation campaign.
Part of the strategy was stirring up anger among Bernie supporters, even after he’d lost, to undermine Clinton in the general.
And the impact said interference had was in no way limited to just that. As difficult as it is to quantify the impact of that sort of thing there’s increasing evidence that Russia’s involvement moved the needle.
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It really is navigating in literally treacherous waters; the wrong move could throw the game to the other side. If I may mix metaphors.
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It’s not exactly as if Wikileaks has been open and transparent about its own inner workings and politics, or how they worked with the Russian government to publish selective truths in order to help put Trump in power.
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The Witch Hunt Has Found A Coven.
I don’t think so. The republicans are doing it every day. Of course they are good at it. But the dems can do it too. They did pretty good screwing Sanders. They can do at least as well with trump.
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Propaganda often takes the form of selective “knowledge.”
Publishing damaging information about one side and not the other in order to change the outcome of an election is not responsible journalism, especially if you mislead people to believe that information came from a murdered campaign staffer.
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Next you’ll be saying Donald Trump Jr. isn’t a fearless whistle-blowing journalist on a quest for truth, wherever it leads him.
Heavily implied sarcasm
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I know Facy is at least a GRU asset if not a mere front but still preffer to know the lies than not.
I do not dispute that there was nothing but ill intent in the selective release of that info at that time. I still think that specific knowledge of the corruption within the parties was good for us as a whole. The fewer zealots are running around thinking that everyone in their team is the second comming of Jebus and the ones in the other team are all the devil the better off we are.
Just because the town pedophile tells me that the bank is stealing from me does not mean I did not want to know. I still consider their motives and work to not be manipulated but ignorance is not better.
Everyone thinks they are too smart to be manipulated by such tactics. But here we are.
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I keep expecting someone to show up and claim Warren is just a copycat and it’s really Bernie who’s been calling for Trump’s impeachment since before he announced his candidacy.
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Pretty sure the only blowback would be from people who aren’t voting the democratic ticket anyway.
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Though Trump did impeachment-worthy things, right out in the open, even before he took office. The case needs to be made that it’s not a question of whether he did things worthy of impeachment, but which particular things need to be focused on.
Yeah, absolutely. And impeachment hearings can be one way of doing that, because, as you say, they start with these kinds of investigations and hearings. Plus, ultimately, they do force the Republicans to either go along with impeachment, or own all of Trumps crimes and misdemeanors.
Well, sure, if we mean crimes, particularly those involving other countries - that’s always been true. But Trump’s crimes are specifically about undermining American democracy itself. To let those go tells Trump and other would-be authoritarians that anything they do illegally to grab power is fine so long as they actually manage to grab power.
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She has nothing to lose at this point in her flagging, stumbling run. Where is she in the polls among the other 25 candidates – 5%? Too much baggage. Buh bye.
If secret extrajudicial killing of a us citizen with a drone does not undermine democracy then I don’t know what does.
Right I just think that’s the next step, after what’s happening now. We’ll know whether they’re pursuing it or trying to avoid it based on how fast things happen from here.
That’s great from a history stand point but as it stands it’s not like their base don’t know what’s happening. And their likely to cheer wrong doing. Changing that requires something to hang it all on that’s harder to spin. The obstruction stuff in the report comes close, but there’s too much wash in there from Mueller expecting and relying on process. He doesn’t say obstruction, he lays out the details and punts to congress on actual judgement.
Like I said they’re on the pathway whether they want to be or not. They need to focus on shifting public opinion on the subject or they’ll be in the very fucked situation of it being too late. Or even worse being stuck pursuing an impeachment the public doesn’t want, and where they can’t control the process enough to damage Trump.
I think concerns of Pence as president are over blown. If he ends up in office because Trump is forced out he’s the lamest of ducks. And you don’t really need to worry about it.
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