Every company I have worked for has fired people… I think a lot of organizations are gutless. In most of the US you can fire anyone for any reason not on the short list of illegal reasons.
Of the ten or so I observed 9 were basically for not being good enough at the job, and one seemed to me to use a tardiness pretext to get rid of a person the manager didn’t like (said manager was shortly no longer a manager).
Those who are tardy do not get fruit cup.
There are a number of fairly legitimate free and paid porn sites out there that make money off legitimate advertising and care about infecting people with viruses/etc, it really just takes even a modicum of common sense to avoid the super scummy ones.
Guy might have a brazzers account or something, and those guys are running about as legitimate a business as you can with tits on it, from what I can tell.
What worker protections? CA is an “at will” employment state, meaning private employers can fire you at any time for almost any reason. They cannot discriminate by race, sex, religion, etcetera but we are one of the easiest states to lay someone off in.
Unless you work in a union shop or for a government agency (city, county, or state).
We have some nice OSHA safety laws and such but nothing for protecting our jobs themselves.
Yep, the old pre-div pre-css days were very tabular. Your memory is excellent!
So what you’re saying is tabled tables table tabled tables table tables?
Oh, yea. Laying people off is pretty easy, as in getting an employee you have included into an existing lay off. That’s how a lot of managers finally get rid of someone. And most people are OK with that (relatively speaking) at a big company because they’ll get a severance and it doesn’t look bad when they apply elsewhere.
Outright firing of someone who is a full time employee is a sticky situation. Companies don’t want to get sued for wrongful termination.
Like I said above, my wife is a manager for a big company and has been for some time, it’s very difficult to get rid of dead weight.
New tagline for my business card: Check!
Be mindful of that chaffing though, it’ll ruin your day…
The large company I work for does not fire anyone; however, we do regularly go through layoffs called"reduction of force". I notice management will use these opportunities to dump some of the lazy or incompetent employees without having to go through the HR hassle of warnings, coaching, etc. In a perfect world, the lazy manager and the lazy hiring person should also get the boot, but that will never happen.
I used to work at a mid-sized design company, and what you did/had on your computer was your own business, as long as you got the work done. Everyone had their own offices, so if folks were browsing porn, there was no way to know and nobody cared… as long as you got the work done. But one guy whose work was always late and very mediocre, and who was always late to work and given warning after warning, was terminated after we all heard a lusty female voice echo from his office (the poor man’s speakers must have been all the way up) “OOOOHH, HEY LOVER, WELCOME TO BUTTWORLD.”
I think it depends entirely on company policy, not state legal protections. I’m also a manager at a large company in CA. We can and have fired individuals for various policy violations or poor work performance, outside of group layoffs (or rightsizing as latest rounds of corporate doublespeak would have us say). Wrongful termination is not something we seem to fear.
I managed at a different big company in CA about twenty five years ago where I had an employee physically threaten another employee, with witnesses. The employee was not fired because they were with the division for more than 25 years and a group executive would be required to agree to their termination. Our divisional chief executive did not want to bring the case up to his boss’ level. So, bulletproof. Ugh!
As an attorney who defends federal employees for a living, this is utter bullshit. If the Agency can show that the employee was doing this, or can demonstrate pretty much any evidence that the employee’s performance was not up to snuff, he can be fired, and it doesn’t take years to do it. This is CBS running with some slimy politician’s attempt to try to gin up faux outrage over rules that actually require the employer to have a valid reason for firing. If you look at the success rate of federal employees challenging major disciplinary actions before the MSPB, which enforces Civil Service Rules, it’s at roughly 3.5%. Yes, cases do settle, but the point still stands–it is NOT difficult to fire bad employees, but yes, you need to be able to prove it. Source: http://mspbwatch.org/2013/06/06/appellant-success-rate-at-mspb-whats-the-right-number/
Nor would the Agency put them on admin leave, unless they were genuinely concerned they had a weak case.
Our divisional chief executive did not want to bring the case up to his boss’ level.
That’s why I’ve seen so many places so hesitant to terminate low-performing employees: it’s too much of a bother. There’s either a hefty time requirement on the managers’ part, misplaced compassion, or otherwise fear of a threat (of a lawsuit, personal harm, retribution, etc). Heartless bastards like Neutron Jack and his famed GE rating system don’t seem to have those problems because firing is institutional instead of personal.
My first thought was “I’m in the wrong job”, but then I remembered my old boss and I used to exchange links to really weird porn while on the clock, so who the hell am I to talk.
That’s true. I guess I’m going off all the years I’ve worked and stories I have seen and known about. To be honest, off the top of my head, I can only think of people that were fired for explicit things - stealing, ass grabbing, etc… I’m having a hard time remembering anyone canned outright for being a lazy dick. Until layoffs came around.
Gotta love bullies, BTW. They pick the right people they can threaten. Never happened to me because any bully that I’ve worked with knows which people to avoid unless they would like to get the shit kicked out of them… 
badger, badger, badger, badger, mushroom, mushroom.
This must be someone they really don’t want to fire. When I worked at NASA (admittedly. more than a few years ago), the porn wouldn’t get you fired by itself, but someone else seeing it would. It fell under the sexual harassment ethics code as if someone believed that another employee would be offended by it that would be enough to qualify as sexual harassment.
