Is this something that you would do when asked? I hope so, since you would ask another to do it for you.
You left out where p_b said:
I know what youâre talking about, but stop pointing your flashlight in my eyes. Donât dare group me with the Venn segment youâre delineating. It has nothing to do with me, and I also abhor it.
Yes, I would do that in p_bâs position if asked, especially after saying something like what p_b said. Why not do it?
Answering your other question would entail going through whatâs become a very long thread, and itâs late here, so yeah, maybe tomorrow. If, that is, I decide while going through the thread that you seem to be asking in good faith, and that a person whoâs as clearly clever as you canât find the answer yourself.
The stats on arrests and shootings say itâs both, especially where government violence seems to have a different threshold when it comes to people of color.
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The media that seeks to divide us leads many of us to this conclusion. It tends to ignore stories of unarmed whites being shot. So you cannot be blamed for believing this.
What is not said is often as important as what is made to seem evidently clear.
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2014/05/santa_ana_police.php
Dont let the populists lead you around by the nose.
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Yes. Friends again, @anon15383236! On my side, too much work, and too little sleep; little groucho.
@GideonTJones point is relevant. Thanks for informing.
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How âoffâ do those pics look to you?
Holy cow.That last pic - the little girl with the lady - what impression will she carry forward?!
WTFâs going on USA?
@TrollsOpinion The stats, not the anecdotes. The disproportionate application of brutality towards non-whites is so well documented that your statement otherwise is basically a lie of the most blatant kind.
Thatâs just your opinion, man, in every sense.
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To paraphrase Chris Rock: Black people have more in common with white people than either does with rich people. So while I sympathize with your underlying message - that we shouldnât let ourselves be divided along race lines when the real fight is with bigger fish (if this is your point) - you are just factually wrong. If you think that white and black people should join together to face the real problem, part of that is accepting each other for who we are and not diminishing one anotherâs life experiences.
When it comes to police brutality and murder, black people get much, much more than their fair share. We can acknowledge this fact, and listen to black people about how that affects them, while also recognizing that the only really fair share of police violence is zero for everyone.
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Riots over an unarmed white person being murdered by police: 0.
Was that Chris Rock? Wasnât that from that goofy movie⌠Bullworth ⌠something.
P.S. I agree.
So if more white people got murdered and brutalized by the police, so that there would be a more equitable distribution of brutality then you would be ok with it? I would hope not.
See, the point is- if you allow the media and your politicians to frame this as a race issue then we are constraining the space of solutions. They are limiting peoples minds to what the problem is. This is so they can sell you a solution that probably involves a even greater militarily-armed police force with an âus-vs-themâ attitude.
In Germany, a country which 60 years ago condoned the murder of people because of their heritage⌠A country that has a large Turkish minority. A country that has a not insignificant number of neo-nazis.
He is right here⌠this sort of characterization is dangerous. We can protest the presidentâs policies without bringing racism into the picture. It might be in another country, but it still matters.
This matters, and do you know why⌠because itâs about empathy. Empathy, real, true empathy, demands that we shut the fuck up and listen - not compare ourselves, offer âguidanceâ or solutions, tell people how they should feel - but to really just hear what others have to say about how they feel about the ways of the world. And so many people wonât do that.
Iâm not a POC, so the only way I can really understand how a POC feels is just to fucking listen to them. Not that empathy is some silver bullet for hundreds of years of oppression, but maybe itâs a start. I wish more âgood-heartedâ white people would just start from this simple notion, that listening gets us one tiny step closer to figuring out how to work through the centuries of institutional racismâŚ
Unfortunately, we seem to be living in a point in time that is noticeably lacking in empathy.
I think my problem with this statement, as a white person, is that white people actually get the privilege about not having to care about our race - we can embrace post-racial America because the problems of race generally donât impact us. I donât think thatâs true if youâre black. I donât think it was true for Mike Brown or Trayvon Martin, or any of the 3 young black men that were shot this week. So, there is that.
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Itâs just the flip-side of âStop Resisting!â
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This is actually in response to a quotation, in your post of my saying
âthe only really fair share of police violence is zero for everyone.â
Alright, Iâll say exactly what I said above one more time: We can listen to each other about our varied experiences and understand how other people are affected by their experiences without being divided. In fact, I would say that is a prerequisite to really uniting.
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