Whew!
Photo via NYTimes
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[ citation needed ]
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Aka Notre-Dame de la tuyauterie.
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I’ve seen a similar attitude like yours from a friend, stating that the money the billionaires pledge will be made out of ground bones of some Bangladeshi children who will have to do overtime for said “donors”.
And you know what? I agree, the world ain’t fair and we are ruining it. We are destruction 
. We are killing everything, everywhere, including ourselves and our children.
On the one hand, I would happily burn the whole human population - fuck that Thanos attitude, why 50% if you can solve the problems once and for all.
On the other hand, I could not even kill myself. And oh my goodness, some things humans do are sublime, beautiful and extremely impressive from various standpoints. Also, some humans are. And every human being has that in themselves. All of it. All the potential.
There’s no reason not to rebuild Notre Dame. And if I don’t want to contribute to that, since it’s not saving the planet, I can still start with myself. Not owning a car. Owning only one smartphone, and possibly one of the more sustainable ones. Not flying on holidays. Being nice to strangers. That kind of stuff.
Would that be an option for you as well?
I would guess so.
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As noted above, the issue with the restoration funding had been a conflict between the State (which owns Notre Dame) and the Church (which uses it); they both argued that the other was responsible for paying for upkeep.
Notre Dame’s been there for generations. Sometimes it takes a crisis or disaster for people to realize how delicate something is that seems permanent and eternal, and they want to give to help restore it.
But sure, make this into a bigoted racial argument about how much white people suck.
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Okay maybe that’s similarly true, but not really where I was at with this.
I will note that, given much of his *labor force is Muslim- should he not send a an equivalent donation to rebuild Al Aqsa?
“We” aren’t ruining anything. Climate change is a systemic process which requires systemic change. USians won’t stop using more energy because they individually feel more responsibility towards their consumption. We will stop using more energy by lowering the supply.
No, and TBH I feel like your tagging me as presenting some impractically idealist POV. I am simply presenting my disgust with the priorities of rich white people.
Yes, all of this, I’ve tried and failed, yes I am happy to be alive and beautiful things, including the Notre Dame, are requisite of it.
I am not discounting the object, although perhaps my regard for it is less than others.
Absolutely. We certainly have enough resources. But the how and the why are important, too.
Self-limiting your privilege is not how you undue the damage your privileges are causing.
Always 
This pisses me off to no end.
Bigoted pigphuqers are trying to use this as their “Reichstag Fire” to fuel hysteria and scapegoating
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People who were part of the crusades brought the architectural style back with them, and in some cases commissioned works based on those designs. I’d even suspect that some people from the middle east were recruited to provide expertise on such structures.
Darke seems to have spent the last decade or so studying the region, and was living in Syria until the revolution started, so she might know a thing or two about the history…
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Wait, you’re [citation needed]-ing an actual citation of an expert on the subject?
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A citation is not a blithe assurance by an expert. It’s a link to where a detailed explanation might be found.
is an assurance.
but
is a citation.
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The good news is that the organ survived. Bad news is… I assume it will be a good long while before one would be able to go and hear it.
@Wanderfound posting a Tweet from Diana Darke isn’t a citation, but you posting a Tweet from Diana Darke is?
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Ah, a white person posting memes about how much white people suck because the people of France are giving money to rebuild Notre Dame, and how this is all tied into white supremacy (somehow).
Sure, that checks out. What a nuanced argument that is also a complete derail!
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Haven’t you ever wanted to know about Mithraditism? Behold, a citation-- and the very word, lest you not trust wikipedia?
Or perhaps you trust Westly implicitly
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You didn’t even do a quick Google search before posting that, obviously, or you’d know that in fact yes. The community laments the loss of historically significant buildings while banding together to construct replacements.
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Thanks for noting my failure.
But community coming together isn’t the same as 1%ers suddenly happy to chip in some money.
And I don’t know, as an American, I’m bothered that Notre Dame is a huge story here while some cracker sheriff’s (apparently) seriously disturbed son torches three churches for racist cracker reasons. Not saying Notre Dame isn’t a big deal but in an apples and oranges way, so is the arson. There’s a failure in reporting and emphasis in reporting.
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Sorry if it seemed brusque, but I see so many “WHY ISN’T THIS BEING COVERED??” globbets about things that, in fact, have been thoroughly covered. For example, I live nowhere near LA but just from coverage I found online was able to learn about the initial, sickening arsons, the arrest of the domestic terrorist, his relation to a sherrif’s deputy, the correct that his dad wasn’t the one who turned him in (though Dad apparently cooperated by getting the kid out of the house while a search was conducted), and the plans for rebuilding. “Community” in this case doesn’t just mean the church congregation, by the way, but the entire parish. At scale, it does include the local equivalent of 1%ers chipping in.
As an American, I see that the burning of a cultural landmark known worldwide might deserve more global reporting than the loss of a cultural landmark of regional historic significance. I would expect the same coverage if Hajia Sophia or the Taj Mahal or the Dome of the Rock or St. Peter’s Basilica were engulfed in flames. When Huey Newton’s mother’s house (the original tenets of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense were written at her kitchen table) was remodeled and sold, coverage was quite naturally local.
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You pretty much hit most of the points I wanted to make. Darn it.
Really, the reason why this feels like such a loss has very little to do with any faith but with the whole history behind that church, behind the artwork that went into the renovations in the 19th century. How the “forest” was itself something that may never return, and so on. It seemed like one of those works of art that would last beyond our lifetimes. Everything else just feels like someone hanging yet another hobby horse on to it, using it to go off on their favourite tangents again.
A national landmark has proven to be mortal. The nation will go on, just as it survived actual attacks, it will survive this accident.
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Thanks for that; I got the good news a short time ago.
For many cathedral ‘goers’ , the pipe organs are the heart of the place. Yes, repairs will take time, but I’m willing to bet that they’d want to get the organ going ASAP for a sonorous and glorious hey! I’m still here shoutout.
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