Speaking of empty school-time rituals, I don’t know why we repeat the Pledge of Allegiance every day in schools. It’s not like it goes, “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America for one day only.” If you make the pledge, and you mean it, there’s no reason to repeat it. Since it’s been definitively laid out by the SCOTUS that you can’t force public school kids to say it, the Pledge is now nap time in every grade above 5th. The only person saying it is on the PA system.
Saying that it has to be silent is a violation of the first amendment. If my child doesn’t -say- “fhtagn” mighty Cthulhu doesn’t -hear- “fhtagn”!
Since it’s been definitively laid out by the SCOTUS that you can’t force public school kids to say it, the Pledge is now nap time in every grade above 5th.
This will probably change with the new nutjob court. Saying The Pledge (to the flag, mind you, not the country or the constitution or democracy or the government or anything) is being an American™.
We had prayer in school when I was a child in a very rural part of the state. No one was “forced” to, one person in particular didn’t, but me knowing that once person didn’t is really the point, I think. I don’t remember a single other person from my second grade class, but I remember him.
It isn’t getting kids to pray, or promoting religion, it is a way to single out the people who aren’t like-minded. It’s about obedience to a culture and identifying the other. Same with going to church and being part of the “respectable” community. You can do what you want and get away with it as long as you conform to the overall appearances.
If you are willing to bow your head, even if you don’t believe it, you pass for normal.
thought this was settled in the 80s. I thought it a perfectly cromulent compromise, though the danger was that there were always individual teachers who were always trying to get away with pressuring kids.
All of the reply, but especially this.
To be honest, the real question is what will happen if some pupils do not use it for christian prayer?
Other religions prayers, meditation (religious or not), silent contemplation, working out an interesting math problem, planning your next guid raid, carving little wooden statues of Brutha-on-the-turtle… Because giving children some silent time for themselves is fine, just don’t use it to enforce your religion.
Use to teach High School History.
I started every final exam with "It to late for prayers . God will not help you at this point "
Not much has changed, then…
Yes, or at least one very important question.
So the silence will be “mandatory.” For the purpose of “prayer.” So what’s going to happen when kids who identify as atheists, or otherwise think the concept of prayer is bullshit, start taking to each other instead? Or what if someone does want to pray, but they don’t do so silently?
This is an insidious backdoor way to promote Christian hegemony in a place that forbids that, US public schools. All with the ultimate purpose of shoring up Republican political power. Saying that a moment of silence is some sort of good compromise ignores that fact.
Well yes, if those two are treated differently, it is a problem. If they are treated the same, I don’t think that it is, really.
If silence is mandatory, and some kid starts talking, they will be treated differently. They’ll be punished. And if they’re talking because they think prayer is bs or because they pray differently, the punishment is discriminatory treatment, no?
The problems I see are that not only is a religious practice being wedged into a public space where it shouldn’t be. It’s also that a certain one (silent prayer) is being placed over others.
It’s analogous to forbidding all women from having abortions because Christians think anything new going on in their wombs happened because Sky Daddy did it. Their beliefs are being forced onto others, who get punished when they don’t obey those beliefs.
No, I meant that the people praying aloud and the people talking should be treated the same. They are equally disruptive.
Ah, thanks for explaining. Then we basically agree, I guess!
Weird that God observes banker’s hours, you’d think that the 17 hours that kids aren’t in school would be adequate.
If? Depending on age, the boys will spend it thinking about batman and/or sex, and the girls, I have no idea, but probably wondering why the boys are such dicks.
This isn’t new, we had school prayer introduced when I was in 6th grade, then when the non-Christian parents rightfully sued a day later it became a moment of silence. Said moment of “silence” became a time to pass notes, whisper in the back of the classroom, and, when it became clear the teacher thought it was bullshit and wasn’t going to enforce it, just a general reading/gossiping/don’t rock the boat time until the principal started up with the rest of the morning announcements. Late-70s Suburban Connecticut, fwiw.
I’d kneel and pray. On one knee. Praying for an end to discrimination.