I understand we all have gaps in education, but if you have some gaps, that person should not be in charge of education governing those gaps for a state of 21 million people.
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I know people accept evolution as man’s course through history wti God at the helm. They refuse to consider the randomness inherent in natural selection, that the progress in our/all species was and is dependant on an infinite number of variables and not God’s plan.
As KathyPadilla said, it’s not about belief, it’s about understanding the science. We needn’t insist, for example, that airplane pilots to believe that the earth is round, but they are going to have a rough time with navigation if they won’t listen to proven solutions based on “round earth theory.” I’ve known many a nurse and more than a few doctors, and a solid grounding in biological sciences is critical to their training.
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I guess I see what you’re trying to say but evolution by natural selection and Creationism are two very different things.
Chuck Palahniuk’s Adjustment Day darkly riffs on this. He takes it to extremes, but it’s easy to believe his vision of a USA split along ideological lines could come to pass under such circumstances.
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You, like Andy Tuck, are very shaky on the definition of “theory”, I’m afraid.
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Oh, I absolutely agree with that!
Pardon? There’s no real way to show evolution, itself, is OR isn’t “God’s Plan”; I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
“God” is not a falsifiable concept. Ergo, neither is “God’s Plan”. “Evolution”, as a falsifiable concept and theory, has literally nothing to do with “God’s” (lack of) presence at the helm.
You sound confused and I doubt anyone here is interested in educating you; ergo you remain in ignorance. Bear in mind, Belief in God is based on faith. You can’t prove He exists. Evolution is a factual scientific framework, we see evidence of it everywhere and no one with an intellect is denying that evolution is a falsifiable concept.
It looks like you’re arguing with someone who agrees with you.
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You have no idea what “falsifiable” means, do you? You should do a little Googlin’ more often.
What I am telling you is that evolution, as a properly falsifiable scientific theory, has exactly dick-all to do with “God”; it says absolutely nothing about the existence — or lack thereof — of {Deity}. You cannot construct a properly falsifiable theory for or against divinity/Deity, so religion also has nothing to say directly about science, possibly excepting some ethical questions.
@tuhu: Exactly so =).
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Didn’t mean to argue, just dismiss.
You were dismissing someone who agrees with you, then; that’s not really much better. I don’t see how being dismissive is particularly helpful, especially when you are incorrect.
Please look up the definition of “falsifiable”, by the by…
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Again, what you believe about evolution has little to nothing to do with being a doctor. I can think of it being relevant in one area - the mutation of bacteria and viruses, which I’ve never heard anyone deny that it happens. They just say it isn’t evolution. Or it’s micro evolution.
I too would rather have a doctor who understands the theory and agrees with it, but I’m not willing to draw that line in the sand to say “No, you can’t be a doctor.” If they think man was intelligently guided into being vs just random luck, it really has no affect on them able to set my leg, or diagnose my flu, or check my prostate.
I agree it is frustrating that very intelligent people see this as a hill to die on for their faith. It is completely possible to agree with evolution as well as the Bible. But because they chose to embrace this cognitive dissonance (something ALL of us do), doesn’t make them stupid or unqualified for the job. But I sort of see why it is easy to assume so, because most people who reject it are completely ignorant of what it is. It is less cognitive dissonance and more lack of education and willingness to be educated on that subject.
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Well said!
I think you mean, “What the Tuck?!”
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About the only civilized rational humans in J-town are Jewish. That, of course, makes them hated.
My theory of Christianity is that they are an organized crime syndicate who draws membership from anybody stupid enough to fall for their lies, and leadership from those who fundraise from stupidity the best. Lie #1-check. Lie #2-check. Lie #3-Not gullible enough, burn this one.
Saying that all Christians are Biblical literalist creationists is like saying that all Jewish people are Haredi.
Christianity, like most other religions, ranges from rationalism to faith driven literalism, and from Leo Tolstoy’s Christian social-anarchism to the authoritarian far right politics of Christian Identity. I see no advantage in dismissing them all, as Christian socialists (or any other religious socialists) are far more likely to be my allies than a right wing atheist is.
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What you’re roughly describing seems to be intelligent design. Which is an attempt to reconcile creationism with indisputable scientific findings, and then present it as valid scientific thought as opposed to extremist theology. Its a Trojan horse.
The more usual approach in non-literalist sects is a lot more flexible with regard to accommodating reality. Since the position is based on the idea that the multiple conflicting stories of creation, in the multiple competing versions of the bible are metaphorical. They start from the position that they contain nothing in the way of detailed information about the way the universe works or came to be. And thus have no bearing on determining how the universe works. The biblical day is not a day, nor a consistent or identifiable amount of time. The order of events is meant to teach you something other than literal actions that took place in that order. And roughly the creation described is basically the universe we’re actively sitting in. And all that science stuff is the how the bible is describing through allegory.
Most pretty much boio down to god set up the base rules for how the universe functions; the laws of physics, causality, time and what have. And more or less sent them spooling to play out. Different versions of it have different takes on the hows. In deist inspired faiths god more or less fucked off after that, letting it play out more or less randomly. Others posit god basically poking it with a stick every once in a while. And in the more Catholicy take the course it would take was predetermined with an awful lot about free will being what makes man distinct and closely related whole original sin, Jesus thing.
Its all fairly hand wavy, and definitely a core god of the gaps idea. Where the divine recedes to shit we haven’t figured out yet, and vague areas that are unobservable and untestable. But what it does is avoid denying reality in a pretty flexible way.
Of course not every sect holds to that, even nested within a larger group. A subset of Catholics are hardcore creationists for an example. Even as the mother fucking pope, and official church doctrine officially specify that evolution and natural selection are real.
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How does this matter, SCOTUS is now more than half full of assholes?
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